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Old 10-21-2015, 09:54 PM
 
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C'mon Lieneke talk about a bunch of drama.. The fact is the 'traditional' values you are referring to are going the way of the dodo bird.. There was a time 100 years ago whereby even 'traditional' values of that period probably would have made even you feel like a prisoner in a cage.. Societies change and evolve, people learn and interact and grow. Ultimately, people will do what they want to do, whether its smoke a joint (legal or not most people have smoked one in their life at some point and many do it regularly), have sex with a member of the same sex, decide that they don't want to live their final days in pain and suffering and decide to exit this world on their own terms, or wear something over their head and face for a billion reasons.

As much as Conservatives tend to stick to this notion that conservative governments stays out of our affairs - 'traditional' conservative values seem to always get right into our affairs like an annoying in law coming to visit unannounced on the weekend and going through the drawer and throwing out a joint they find in the dresser because they are the arbiter of justice and what is righteous - pfffft.
Bench drama? Conservative view of marijuana use is that although it is not legal, it is decriminalized. That already happened. Socialist (see NL) has drug shops and legalized pot use, and legalized prostitution (to safeguard women who choose prostitution as a profession). Red light districts flourish in many European countries, but there are really big doors to enter those districts in some countries. Is that what Canada wants ... really big doors to the red light district, or unregulated? What about those ISIL head chopping guys. Should we sit back and let it go, or should Canada try to prevent those people from destroying any more historic sites?

Reefer Madness is one thing, unregulated pot use is another.

And ... there's nothing about a man, or a woman, removing his/her hat during a court proceeding that should go by the way of the dodo bird. It's like the dinner table. Men remove their hats at the dinner table ...and for all other formal events, such as entering a room where he will undertake a court proceeding. Granted the old English tradition is to wear wigs in court, but that is not practiced in Canada (although the penguin tails are, eh). Traditional Canadian values are for people to remove head coverings at the dinner table, and during a court proceeding ... but not anymore. Today, foreigners have redefined that tradition and now it is okay for everyone to wear a hat at the dinner table ... and in church ... if it is their cultural choice (sure hope men in cowboy hats in church will not be perceived as ... what ... impolite, disrespectful, disingenuine). What about traditional women's rights in Canada ... the right to see whether the cowboy has any hair under his hat? ... a lost right, sadly implemented by foreigners, and a great loss to the rights of Canadian women.

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Old 10-21-2015, 10:18 PM
 
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In other words 'CLOSET CASE'

My gaydar is really active with this one! He had a Fabulous time at "Fabulous Blue Tent Party"

Poletical - Gay Conservatives And The Gay Word



Definitely a washroom stall type of guy
The mayor of Calgary, Nenshi, is as closet gay as it gets. I don't think anyone has quite resolved the oxymoron of Muslim gay, but apparently the parents of the mayor see merit enough for the closet gay to continue living at home (don't think about the creepy guy living in his parents basement at the age of 40).
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Old 10-21-2015, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Bench drama? Conservative view of marijuana use is that although it is not legal, it is decriminalized. That already happened. Socialist (see NL) has drug shops and legalized pot use, and legalized prostitution (to safeguard women who choose prostitution as a profession). Red light districts flourish in many European countries, but there are really big doors to enter those districts in some countries. Is that what Canada wants ... really big doors to the red light district, or unregulated? What about those ISIL head chopping guys. Should we sit back and let it go, or should Canada try to prevent those people from destroying any more historic sites?

Reefer Madness is one thing, unregulated pot use is another.

And ... there's nothing about a man, or a woman, removing his/her hat during a court proceeding that should go by the way of the dodo bird. It's like the dinner table. Men remove their hats at the dinner table ...and for all other formal events, such as entering a room where he will undertake a court proceeding. Granted the old English tradition is to wear wigs in court, but that is not practiced in Canada (although the penguin tails are, eh). Traditional Canadian values are for people to remove head coverings at the dinner table, and during a court proceeding ... but not anymore. Today, foreigners have redefined that tradition and now it is okay for everyone to wear a hat at the dinner table ... and in church ... if it is their cultural choice (sure hope men in cowboy hats in church will not be perceived as ... what ... impolite, disrespectful, disingenuine). What about traditional women's rights in Canada ... the right to see whether the cowboy has any hair under his hat? ... a lost right, sadly implemented by foreigners, and a great loss to the rights of Canadian women.
I didn't say Bench drama - I said a bunch of drama.. You opened yourself up to it by a steadfast use of the term - 'traditional' Canadian values.. As I said Leineke, we are an evolving and changing society and people will do as they choose.. I have no issues with legalized marijuana use that is regulated much the same way as alcohol is today.. I also have no issues with a red light district or legalized brothels.. Man, if you wanted to PM me and ask me where to pick up a bunch of transsexual prostitutes I could point you in that direction easily in Toronto.. I lived DT and seen these 905'ers coming DT all the time and picking them up on the street.. People will do what they want Leineke whether it is 'legal' or not.. Heck we're missing out on a lot of tax dollars trying to criminalize things that shouldn't be that could also be taxed.

As for 'foreigners' and head coverings.. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill and I seriously think you should worry about more important things.. Drawing a connection between what has been discussed and Murdering people by beheading is just a stretch that confounds me but ok..

If I smoke a joint right now Leineke how is that hurting you? If I punched you in the face well sure that's a different story - I've hurt you and thus that should be illegal.. Basic stuff here.
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Old 10-21-2015, 10:32 PM
 
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I didn't say Bench drama - I said a bunch of drama.. You opened yourself up to it by a steadfast use of the term - 'traditional' Canadian values.. As I said Leineke, we are an evolving and changing society and people will do as they choose.. I have no issues with legalized marijuana use that is regulated much the same way as alcohol is today.. I also have no issues with a red light district or legalized brothels.. Man, if you wanted to PM me and ask me where to pick up a bunch of transsexual prostitutes I could point you in that direction easily in Toronto.. I lived DT and seen these 905'ers coming DT all the time and picking them up on the street.. People will do what they want Leineke whether it is 'legal' or not.. Heck we're missing out on a lot of tax dollars trying to criminalize things that shouldn't be that could also be taxed.

As for 'foreigners' and head coverings.. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill and I seriously think you should worry about more important things.. Drawing a connection between what has been discussed and Murdering people by beheading is just a stretch that confounds me but ok..

If I smoke a joint right now Leineke how is that hurting you? If I punched you in the face well sure that's a different story - I've hurt you and thus that should be illegal.. Basic stuff here.
I agree. A bunch of drama is not the same as bench drama. I suppose drama was the point, eh.

I will open myself up to criticism about traditional Canadian values for the rest of my life. I have traditional Canadian values by virtue of the fact of where I was born. Did my parents wear cowboys hats in their culture? Nope. Did I? Oh yes. I didn't bring my parents culture into my country, my country gave me my culture, and my parents and relatives in the old country respected that. That's Canadian values ... cowboy hats, horses, hockey, and buffalo, but men always removed their hats around a woman. What woman should be allowed to refuse that grace?

There are no mountains, no moles, no princesses or drama, nor dodo birds and absence of Canadian traditional values. What we have is cowboys who don't have to remove their hats in court anymore, and face scarves worn over the nose are okay because foreign women don't know, value, understand, or practice Canadian values. Doesn't that hat and scarf sound like the banned bandit look?
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Old 10-21-2015, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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The mayor of Calgary, Nenshi, is as closet gay as it gets. I don't think anyone has quite resolved the oxymoron of Muslim gay, but apparently the parents of the mayor see merit enough for the closet gay to continue living at home (don't think about the creepy guy living in his parents basement at the age of 40).
I'm sure Nenshi is gay and I suppose due to societal and familial pressure he feels the need to be in the closet.. I for one was making fun of a situation just as a laugh, but I do understand why individuals choose to live a closeted life.. I can't relate at all but I completely understand and will not judge.. They need to live life in their own shoes.

A muslim gay is far from being oxymoronic by nature and is as common as homosexuality in European or North American society. I've been to many a muslim country and the gay scene while underground is very much alive so being gay and a muslim is not an oxymoron.. What forces the oxymoron is what you have been foaming at the mouth about over and over again - Traditional 'values' that work to suppress what either comes naturally to people or by their choice either of which should make no difference and should not be suppressed.

As for a 40 year old living in his parents basement - why is that 'creepy' -? Its his choice and who knows why, perhaps he supports his parents, perhaps they are sick, perhaps he is comfortable in that environment. Why does this have any bearing to being creepy.. A tad judgemental Leineke?

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Old 10-21-2015, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I agree. A bunch of drama is not the same as bench drama. I suppose drama was the point, eh.

I will open myself up to criticism about traditional Canadian values for the rest of my life. I have traditional Canadian values by virtue of the fact of where I was born. Did my parents wear cowboys hats in their culture? Nope. Did I? Oh yes. I didn't bring my parents culture into my country, my country gave me my culture, and my parents and relatives in the old country respected that. That's Canadian values ... cowboy hats, horses, hockey, and buffalo, but men always removed their hats around a woman. What woman should be allowed to refuse that grace?

There are no mountains, no moles, no princesses or drama, nor dodo birds and absence of Canadian traditional values. What we have is cowboys who don't have to remove their hats in court anymore, and face scarves worn over the nose are okay because foreign women don't know, value, understand, or practice Canadian values. Doesn't that hat and scarf sound like the banned bandit look?
I have no issues with your values or your culture Lieneke.. I respect them but I think you need to do the same and accept the fact that your value system and your culture isn't necessarily representative of either a 'traditional' Canadian value system, Canadian culture at large or the evolving Canadian value system and evolving mosaic of cultures that make up Canadiana..
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Old 10-21-2015, 11:09 PM
 
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Much as the former Prime Minister of Canada is ridiculed, his alliance with Europe's experience with new cultures importing foreign practices will most likely not be undervalued in the big picture.
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Old 10-21-2015, 11:14 PM
 
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I'm sure Nenshi is gay and I suppose due to societal and familial pressure he feels the need to be in the closet.. I for one was making fun of a situation just as a laugh, but I do understand why individuals choose to live a closeted life.. I can't relate at all but I completely understand and will not judge.. They need to live life in their own shoes.

A muslim gay is far from being oxymoronic by nature and is as common as homosexuality in European or North American society. I've been to many a muslim country and the gay scene while underground is very much alive so being gay and a muslim is not an oxymoron.. What forces the oxymoron is what you have been foaming at the mouth about over and over again - Traditional 'values' that work to suppress what either comes naturally to people or by their choice either of which should make no difference and should not be suppressed.

As for a 40 year old living in his parents basement - why is that 'creepy' -? Its his choice and who knows why, perhaps he supports his parents, perhaps they are sick, perhaps he is comfortable in that environment. Why does this have any bearing to being creepy.. A tad judgemental Leineke?
Yep. The creepy 40+ year old living in his parent's basement scurries out to speak for the city's youth, then back to mom's basement. It seems to me that living in the parent's basement is one form of closet, being gay is another, and then there's the born in Canada Muslim thing that's bound to weigh heavy.

Muslim does not permit homosexuality under any circumstances, so a gay muslim is pretty much an oxymoron ... unless there's something in the Koran about men and sheep, goats, llamas? Trying to be fair here. We know there's nothing in the Bible about men having sex with men, but perhaps there's something in the Koran about men having sex with men ... but I doubt it ... I think that gay muslim is an oxymoron, through and through.
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Old 10-22-2015, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Great OP. Because what Canadians call "conservative" is absolutely laughable.
Be careful what you are saying here.

In an American context, you are probably correct. But since Canada does not exist within an American context, you could be wrong. Given that most modern western democracies (including Canada) see American conservatism as so far outside the norm as to be laughable (anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage, anti-single-payer-healthcare, pro-gun), you are incorrect in anything but an American context.

So, you are wrong when you assert that Canadian conservatism is laughable. It is perfectly within the conservative norms for Canada, and other modern western nations.
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Old 10-22-2015, 12:46 AM
 
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Be careful what you are saying here.

In an American context, you are probably correct. But since Canada does not exist within an American context, you could be wrong. Given that most modern western democracies (including Canada) see American conservatism as so far outside the norm as to be laughable (anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage, anti-single-payer-healthcare, pro-gun), you are incorrect in anything but an American context.

So, you are wrong when you assert that Canadian conservatism is laughable. It is perfectly within the conservative norms for Canada, and other modern western nations.
No. The US has a very different judicial system from Canada - hopefully everyone in the US gets that.

Canada is like the UK, Australia, New Zealand, some other colonies like Aruba, and Italy, Germany, Netherlands and so on. All of those judicial systems are the same with each other, and different from the US. The fact that the US endorses capital punishment is along the barbaric thinking of other third world countries; yet the US is unwilling to understand first year psychology of reform versus punishment.
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