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Old 03-22-2016, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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The guy who ran down the Canadian soldier in St-Jean was reported to the police by the imam at his mosque.
I hope that fact makes the headlines.
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Old 03-22-2016, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Canada
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There certainly didnt seem to be any forewarning from any family or friend regarding this mornings atrocities.
I think the arrest of Salah Abdeslam in Brussels earlier this week (and the broadcasting of it to the public) should have been forewarning enough to everyone that there would be immediate terrorist retaliation in Brussels.

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Old 03-22-2016, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I hope that fact makes the headlines.
It's old news by now.
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Old 03-23-2016, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Canada
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When people feel integrated, equal and valued members of society the chances of them wanting to become terrorist decrease.
This was written in 2006 and is part of a quote in the Politics forum:

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Europe's Muslim communities are powder kegs, brimming with an alienation born of the immigrants’ deep antagonism toward an infidel society that rejects them and compounded by misguided immigration policies that enforce their segregation and empower the extremists in their midst."
http://www.city-data.com/forum/43459222-post37.html

The Muslim population of the United States is about 3.3 million. I wonder how accepted they feel these days.

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Old 03-23-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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This was written in 2006 and is part of a quote in the Politics forum:

"Europe's Muslim communities are powder kegs, brimming with an alienation born of the immigrants’ deep antagonism toward an infidel society that rejects them and compounded by misguided immigration policies that enforce their segregation and empower the extremists in their midst."

http://www.city-data.com/forum/43459222-post37.html

The Muslim population of the United States is about 3.3 million. I wonder how accepted they feel these days.
Deep antagonism towards and "infidel society"? Why would anyone move to a country where they feel antagonistic towards the community of "infidels"?

Since I don't know what an "infidel" is, I looked it up: "a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own."

Do I understand correctly that some people moved to a new country where they were antagonistic towards the local community of "infidels", and then the newcomers became angry at the people that they apparently didn't really like from the beginning and then ... they decided to kill people in the new country? In my humble opinion, there's something seriously wrong with people who make those decisions, and it sure isn't the fault of the local communities that newcomers make stupid decisions.

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Old 03-23-2016, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Deep antagonism towards and "infidel society"? Why would anyone move to a country where they feel antagonistic towards the community of "infidels"?

Since I don't know what an "infidel" is, I looked it up: "a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own."

Do I understand correctly that some people moved to a new country where they were antagonistic towards the local community of "infidels", and then the newcomers became angry at the people that they apparently didn't really like from the beginning and then ... they decided to kill people in the new country? In my humble opinion, there's something seriously wrong with people who make those decisions, and it sure isn't the fault of the local communities that newcomers make stupid decisions.
I think the author is saying that the local communities rejected the newcomers, encouraging a "them vs us" environment further fostered by the European countries' policy of creating ghettos. This prevented integation.

You say newcomers but we probably talking second generation now. They haven't moved from anywhere.
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I think the author is saying that the local communities rejected the newcomers, encouraging a "them vs us" environment further fostered by the European countries' policy of creating ghettos. This prevented integation.

You say newcomers but we probably talking second generation now. They haven't moved from anywhere.
I think many of the terrorists who have carried out the attacks in France and Belgium have been born in either of those countries. They are either second or even third generation Belgian or French. I don't really see a connection to these people and to Syrian Refugees.
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Old 03-24-2016, 04:24 AM
 
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I think many of the terrorists who have carried out the attacks in France and Belgium have been born in either of those countries. They are either second or even third generation Belgian or French. I don't really see a connection to these people and to Syrian Refugees.
Sounds like a good reason to be very cautious about bringing over these people by the tens of thousands if they can become radicalized for generations to come.
Their worldwide connection is their religion.
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Old 03-24-2016, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Sounds like a good reason to be very cautious about bringing over these people by the tens of thousands if they can become radicalized for generations to come.
Their worldwide connection is their religion.
Who can't become radicalized? John Maquire became radicalized. I think there are other problems at the root of ISIS and the problems related to terrorism that would give more bang for the buck then shuttering our doors to refugees simply because they are Muslim.

I think It becomes very dangerous when we connect the collective behaviour of any group with a religion. Yes there are some horrible examples of Islamic fundamentalism ie terrorist attacks. I wouldn't deny that but what do we lose with this abundance of caution? I think we lose a lot of who we are at the hands of a very small minority of people. We are also speculating that these people will become radicalized in Canada to the same degree as some Euro countries. Let's not forget as well, the majority of Muslim French and Belgian people are good and are not radicalized at all.

I am in the worlds largest Islamic state (Indonesia) right now and the people couldn't be any more kind and welcoming. It would be a horrible injustice for these people and to my spirit if I came here with the attitude that at any moment, I will be will blown up by some lunatic fundamentalist. I could be cautious and not engage with these people or I can engage in the best form of diplomacy there is, making friends and accepting people who are different than I am whilst learning we aren't all so different.

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Old 03-24-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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Cant fault your viewpoint Fusion its definitely more politically correct than mine,its just that personally i've become a little wary of Islam, i guess we could call it a budding case of Islamophobia.
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