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Old 06-14-2016, 02:34 PM
 
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The US does not want to see the elephant in the room. They blame terrorists, mental illness, and so on.
What is really at the center of this is weapon manufacturing ($400 billion) and irrational liberal US gun laws that support this industry world wide. 6 out 9 largest weapons manufacturing companies are in the US. "The U.S. is almost always number 1, then Russia, France, the UK, China, and Germany. An easy way to remember is that the permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany are typically the top six". Canada is not excluded here (ranked in top 15).

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Old 06-14-2016, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I'm anti-gun, but even banning all guns will not prevent mass killings.

It would probably cut down the number of casualties though as guns can kill more victims quicker that other weapons such as knives can.

It's a pointless discussion though. Guns are deeply entrenched into the American culture.
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Boston
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I'm anti-gun, but even banning all guns will not prevent mass killings.

It would probably cut down the number of casualties though as guns can kill more victims quicker that other weapons such as knives can.

It's a pointless discussion though. Guns are deeply entrenched into the American culture.
It's disgusting
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:18 PM
 
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I'm anti-gun, but even banning all guns will not prevent mass killings.

It would probably cut down the number of casualties though as guns can kill more victims quicker that other weapons such as knives can.

It's a pointless discussion though. Guns are deeply entrenched into the American culture.
There are alternate ways to mass murder if guns arent available, Timothy McVeighs Oklahoma bombing comes to mind, the 9/11 tragedy was also perpetrated without guns..
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Well, I have zero stats on this but my sneaking suspicion is that there might be more people like this getting shot these days than were getting shot in the 70s and 80s. (I won't post a picture of what a typical shooting victim from the 70s and 80s probably looked like.)
Yeah the typical person getting shot in the 80s and early 90s is probably the exact same as most people getting shot now. But you are right I get your point.
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:28 PM
 
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I'm reminded of the Simpsons episode where Homer gets a gun. He explains his need as something like, "Well, I don't want the King of England to come and take us back."

While Homer's view may have had some validity in 1789, it holds very little water in 2016, when the UK has no interest in regaining the US. My own feeling is that the Founding Fathers felt like Homer when they crafted the Second Amendment: we need to be armed just in case the British try again. And as Nat astutely points out, small arms operated by civilians will have little effect against a trained American domestic military using tanks, smart bombs, tactical nukes, and the like.
Imminent threat back then was an hostile England, but the spirit of the 2A has never been specifically an English attempt to get back the American colonies...at all.....please do not quote the Simpsons on constitutional matters....

An armed population is very hard to put down, no matter how many tanks and cannons you have unless to plan to annihilation which negates the objective of subjugation in the first place.....besides, who told you that cannons and tanks for civilians are outlawed in America?? They are heavily regulated and you have to comply with a lot of regulation and storage requirements (and lot of taxes for every round you own) that make owning them unpractical for many people...but they are out there....


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In my lifetime, I've shot thousands of rounds from a variety of firearms--including an AR-15. After having shot one, an AR-15 is not, IMHO, a hunting rifle--a Remington or a Mossberg or a Winchester is a hunting rifle. An AR-15 is a killing machine, pure and simple. Bambi won't stand a chance, and neither will people.

If you make that argument I'm sorry but you either haven't shot squat or maybe, at most, you fired few rounds at the range with someone pointing for you where the trigger was....you clearly do not know firearms

The AR-15 is not particularly powerful compared to other semi-auto hunting rifles

In hunting circles is, at most, a coyote rifle....Bambi?? Legally is too under powered for deer almost everywhere in the US.

A quick unloading of five 30-06 rounds out of a Remington 742 (eastern seaboard granpas favorite hunting rifle since the 1950s) which can torn a big grizzly bear to pieces......an AR-15 is a pellet gun in comparison.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnH19Tr0r1Q

A semi-auto or even pump action shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot can clear a packed room like a night club almost as effectively as an AR-15..


The AR-15 just look "scary" and it's black....so let's ban "black and scary" rifles......

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Old 06-14-2016, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Canada
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There are alternate ways to mass murder if guns arent available, Timothy McVeighs Oklahoma bombing comes to mind, the 9/11 tragedy was also perpetrated without guns..
They require an expertise that that is not as common as knowledge of how to shoot a gun. I don't think school shooters for example would have considered learning to fly and hijacking a plane.

After the Paris massacre I read about suicide vests. Apparently they are made by specialists and it takes a specialist about one month to make one vest. I imagine that any amateur attempting it would probably end up blowing themselves up in the process.
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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They require an expertise that that is not as common as knowledge of how to shoot a gun. I don't think school shooters for example would have considered learning to fly and hijacking a plane.

After the Paris massacre I read about suicide vests. Apparently they are made by specialists and it takes a specialist about one month to make one vest. I imagine that any amateur attempting it would probably end up blowing themselves up in the process.

It does not take a lot of training to buying these at all...and quite few of the mass shooters were well prepared.

While I do not agree on a lot of issues with some hard core gun enthusiasts, the lack of logical reasoning, ignorance and emotional ranting every time a tragedy like this happens I see why they try to hold the line and not giving up much.....it look as an excuse for mindless gun grabbing
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Old 06-14-2016, 03:53 PM
 
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Typical moronic piece that appeal to emotions and short on rationality...she did pass a background check...period, nobody handed one over to her no question to ask....

Unbelievable how someone like that can be considered a "journalist".



Here is another one from the Young Turks....a stupid emotional rant trying to appear as knowledgeable piece....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLaD9mSC6iI
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Old 06-14-2016, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Canada
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It does not take a lot of training to buying these at all...and quite few of the mass shooters were well prepared.
Suicide vests are easy to buy in the U.S.? Link please.
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