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Old 06-20-2016, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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...but a teenager in a school for trouble youth did. Remember, all the information about Bin Laden and even the conversations on the planes were not made public the day of the tragedy.

To say that he knew AT THE VERY SECOND the plane hit, who was responsible is beyond belief to me.
Footage from the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. I guess these people are celebrating because they think the Montana Freemen or the Fort Lauderdale Golden Girls Bridge Club brought down the twin towers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV_eN4YEEI0


BTW, I am actually pro-Palestinian. Just trying to illustrate how it wasn't a big secret who was behind the attacks.


Relatives of the people on Flight 93 revealed fairly quickly that day that the hijackers described by their family members were Middle Eastern, spoke Arabic, and talked about Allah, jihad, etc.


Anyone who followed geopolitics at the time would have known from the information at hand who the perpetrators were likely to be.


The WTC was identified as a red-hot Al-Qaeda target. It was no secret to intelligence people or people who paid attention to the topic.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I don't want mentally unstable people getting pumped up over radical Islam and shooting up gay nightclubs, and I don't want mentally unstable people getting riled up against the U.S. government and blowing up buildings in Oklahoma City either.
I agree. But the focus is then on 'mentally unstable' and the 'cause' is irrelevant as the mentally unstable will make up a cause.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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Which harkens back to a point I made earlier. Until, and I'm perfectly willing to accept the fact if it does appear, he is connected directly to a terrorist network of some kind, he is just a mentally unstable nut job who was possibly closeted and self hating who used Islam as an excuse for his acting out his self-hatred.

Using the term " self - radicalized " is interesting. Of all the " self-radicalized " terrorists, how many turned out to be mentally unstable? Anyone know?

It seems a good way for the powers that be, to keep people afraid of " others " and paint 1.9 billion people as a threat.
As far as I'm concerned, every one of them were mentally unstable. Sane and rational people do not pledge allegiance to a terrorist organization that burns or buries people alive, or crucifies them, or chops their heads off and broadcasts the videos of it to the world.

The question people should be asking is why are there so many from this one religion drawn to it. There have been something like 28,000 Muslim terror attacks since 9/11. You can't even begin to compare that to the lone mass shooter who may have been bullied in school or what have you. They are attracted to that, and the ideology actually encourages it.

Their prophet was the "perfect" Muslim whom all Muslims should emulate. He told people they needed to kill unbelievers. Jesus told people to love everyone. People will pervert either religion, but the Christian isn't acting like a true Christian if he does that, whereas a Muslim can shout out God's name as he commits holy war as his prophet encouraged, and feel like he is doing God's work. And most Muslims would never do that, but a large minority of them do. We are talking millions of people here, not just a small few.

Yes, it is something we should worry about, and if 1.9 billion people are painted as a threat because millions of their co-religionists kill in the name of their religion, then maybe they will force them to reform. That's how things change. People have no problem calling out white supremacists, and rightly so. Islam is an ideology that has some very bad doctrine. Call it out I say.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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Americans need sensible gun laws. End of story.
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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Americans need sensible gun laws. End of story.
What are the gun laws in Canada?
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:36 PM
 
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I agree. But the focus is then on 'mentally unstable' and the 'cause' is irrelevant as the mentally unstable will make up a cause.
Yep. Until they can prove he took his orders from the top sheik, knew the secret handshake and had his bedroom plastered with Osama bin laden posters then he was just a victim of that dismal American healthcare system , or lack thereof, who failed to diagnose him and only took advantage of the insane gun laws down there to prove a point.

Dont mind me I am only trying to blend into the uber tolerant Canadian crowd.
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Phoenix AZ
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Americans need sensible gun laws. End of story.
pretty sure it's already illegal to murder people with a gun in America -

what other law would you have homophobic terrorists ignore?
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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pretty sure it's already illegal to murder people with a gun in America -

what other law would you have homophobic terrorists ignore?
Don't beat around the bush, in Canada we our laws are so strict we can't legally carry a hand gun and our communities are the safest in North America. If the U.S had Canadian gun laws you wouldn't be having these problems. Your government needs to take your guns away.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I remember that day well, some Muslim students from Concordia tried to have their own little celebration by guy-concordia. They were shut down real quick.

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Footage from the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. I guess these people are celebrating because they think the Montana Freemen or the Fort Lauderdale Golden Girls Bridge Club brought down the twin towers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV_eN4YEEI0


BTW, I am actually pro-Palestinian. Just trying to illustrate how it wasn't a big secret who was behind the attacks.


Relatives of the people on Flight 93 revealed fairly quickly that day that the hijackers described by their family members were Middle Eastern, spoke Arabic, and talked about Allah, jihad, etc.


Anyone who followed geopolitics at the time would have known from the information at hand who the perpetrators were likely to be.


The WTC was identified as a red-hot Al-Qaeda target. It was no secret to intelligence people or people who paid attention to the topic.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Omar Mateen was almost certainly not connected to a terrorist network of some kind.


But so what if he "self-radicalized"? There are still 49 people dead and 53 maimed as a result.


Some comfort.
Don't waste you time. Had this been a Christian, the religios connection would not be questioned, which is fine because I am not really a fan of Chrisitianity. Since he was a muslim we have to over look that despite the fact of the recording that came out today, we still have to over look it.
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