U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Canada
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 06-16-2016, 01:09 PM
 
2,677 posts, read 1,069,237 times
Reputation: 5167

Advertisements

I'm angry that B.C. denied Alberta access to their seaports. BC builds their own pipelines for their own oil and gas exports but selfishly deny other Canadian provinces to run pipelines through B.C. for the same reason.

Before you discuss this, read up on it on the internet.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-16-2016, 01:15 PM
 
10,847 posts, read 11,250,780 times
Reputation: 7578
I guess they want to "protect the environment" or whatever BS liberal idea.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-16-2016, 01:27 PM
 
3,431 posts, read 3,043,103 times
Reputation: 4133
The amount of crude moving by railway through BC continues to increase. Rail isn't the safest mode of moving crude products.

They're going to build a multi-billion dollar oil refinery in Northern BC too... there goes the pristine air quality.

You're right though... if there's not much in it for a particular province, they have very little to motivate them to support other provinces. If BC had more of an incentive, they'd be approving pipelines, you can bet.

I think it would take more than pipelines to make a big improvement in Alberta's economic outlook, though. The companies in Alberta need to invest more in research and innovating. There have been a few interesting articles on this in various publications lately. Some companies are starting to make such investments, apparently. Whenever the price of oil starts to move upward again (which it won't be doing anytime soon, IMO)... the technology of oil production will have changed too by then. Alberta can't go back to where it's been. It has to figure out how to move forward. Resource extraction and processing are still going to be a big part of Alberta's economy and any rebound, though.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-16-2016, 02:30 PM
 
10,847 posts, read 11,250,780 times
Reputation: 7578
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottawa2011 View Post
The amount of crude moving by railway through BC continues to increase. Rail isn't the safest mode of moving crude products.

They're going to build a multi-billion dollar oil refinery in Northern BC too... there goes the pristine air quality.

You're right though... if there's not much in it for a particular province, they have very little to motivate them to support other provinces. If BC had more of an incentive, they'd be approving pipelines, you can bet.

I think it would take more than pipelines to make a big improvement in Alberta's economic outlook, though. The companies in Alberta need to invest more in research and innovating. There have been a few interesting articles on this in various publications lately. Some companies are starting to make such investments, apparently. Whenever the price of oil starts to move upward again (which it won't be doing anytime soon, IMO)... the technology of oil production will have changed too by then. Alberta can't go back to where it's been. It has to figure out how to move forward. Resource extraction and processing are still going to be a big part of Alberta's economy and any rebound, though.
While I agree research and innovation is much needed, wasting our enormous resources and not using it would be stupid too. You have to strike a balance between the economy and "pristine air quality", and the latter shouldn't trump everything. Admittedly Alberta needs to diversify its economy.


I don't think oil price will stay this low for much longer. It is just a collusion of America and Saudi Arabia to harm Russia, in which both America and Saudi Arabia are hurting tremendously too, and Russia is not going to be crushed. The current price doesn't reflect real market and I am confident it will bound back sooner than we think.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-17-2016, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Canada
4,698 posts, read 8,484,166 times
Reputation: 4877
For what it's worth, I am a Vancouver environmentalist liberal from Quebec, and I support the Transmountain twinning, Keystone, and possibly Energy East if done right. Northern Gateway, which was a bad proposal, and how it was handled, kind of poisoned the well for all of the other much better pipeline proposals in terms of public relations. It's going to be difficult to recover from that, but oil's going to get to market by dangerous rail and from other jurisdictions if we don't build pipelines, there are existing pipelines along most of those corridors already, so I think it's the right thing to do, even if we do need to stop using oil for fuel in the medium term and do whatever we can to cut demand in the immediate term. BC would still lead Canada in growth regardless, however, there's no changing the world oil price being at 50$ a barrel, another pipeline wouldn't change that much for Alberta or take away from the fundamentals currently fueling BC.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-17-2016, 09:59 PM
 
2,677 posts, read 1,069,237 times
Reputation: 5167
bimbam
I appreciate your sane, knowledgeable input.

I disagree with your comment "another pipeline wouldn't change that much for Alberta", actually it is critical. We need them for the oilsands in particular not our traditional drilled oil. There used to be only two operating/producing oil sands mines but now there are 21. It is easy to see that the increase of oil product cannot move using the inadequate existing pipeline circuit.

The oil sands just took a double whammy due to the Fort McMurray wild fires causing a loss $1.4 billion (30 million barrells of crude oil ) because of plant shutdowns and curtailing operations owing to encroaching fire.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Canada
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top