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View Poll Results: Should Mexican citizens require a visa to visit Canada for tourism?
Yes 29 60.42%
No 19 39.58%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-09-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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Yes, but not any thing as arrogant as the Canadian one. :O) Just saying.
Well, it would then follow you must be Canadian if judging solely by your last post #67 as that one was just about as arrogant as it gets.
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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And he called us arrogant!
I found the post more bizarre than anything - kinda like Donald Trump. The part about cockroaches was just very odd.
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:49 PM
 
Location: In transition
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Distance of flying, costs, language may factor for those far distance countries. Plus illegals may network as well. Many get deported out of Canada when caught. Illegals exist in Canada and I have seen show they work under the table, break the law by stealing, don't report a cockroach problem, live too many in one apt and not above lying. Plus leave a clean renovated place in appalling conditions. When evicted were coming back to sleep until lock was changed. I know because I am the janitor's partner for three multi-unit buildings.
I also grew up in California and see what rampant abuse of that has caused Los Angeles to become.
Gangs, press two for Spanish, needing to be bilingual for some occupations and much worse drain on government and crime. Not just in LA. Many parts of California. It really is out of hand. Losing work to people whom will work for very little is not great economically for citizens. When it's only a concept to you it's vague but when it throws sticks in ones spokes not great at all!
Plus I rather see government money spent, instead on illegals with anchor babies, on the homeless, mental illness, veterans and low income citizens. Here and in the US.

Mexicans are great people and very nice but there districts are of Mexicans and other Latinos that even Mexicans (American born) would not live in. If they can keep desperadoes out then great. The climate here over long Winter months are probably a good deterrent for the illegal set.
The fact that Canada doesn't share a border will mitigate a lot of the problems that you describe in your post. I honestly see no need a visa for Mexican visitors. They bring money to the economy and even if some overstay it's not like they could get any government services here
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Old 07-10-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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The fact that Canada doesn't share a border will mitigate a lot of the problems that you describe in your post. I honestly see no need a visa for Mexican visitors. They bring money to the economy and even if some overstay it's not like they could get any government services here
I may be wrong, but aren't most Mexican visitors to Canada middle class? The only Mexicans I hear of taking trips to Canada are people who have money and can afford it.

Americans for over a century recruited Mexicans from poor regions to do manual labor in the US. They became addicted to always having this pool of cheap labor and exploited it to the max. The US is complicit in the problem but most Americans don't want to recognize it. The consequences were that more people started staying in the US for a better life, and more people wanted to go work in the US to make money.

The situations are completely different IMO, specifically because the connecting factors are different.
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Old 07-11-2016, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I may be wrong, but aren't most Mexican visitors to Canada middle class? The only Mexicans I hear of taking trips to Canada are people who have money and can afford it.

Americans for over a century recruited Mexicans from poor regions to do manual labor in the US. They became addicted to always having this pool of cheap labor and exploited it to the max. The US is complicit in the problem but most Americans don't want to recognize it. The consequences were that more people started staying in the US for a better life, and more people wanted to go work in the US to make money.

The situations are completely different IMO, specifically because the connecting factors are different.
Visitors, generally yes. Most of the ones I've met have money. In fact my only Mexican friend that lives in Mexico that I met in Vancouver is very milddle class and travels the world.

I have met others, a woman I know dated him, who was from a poorer background, but still had the money to get here and was working legally here. Although he did admit at first taking jobs that technically he wasn't legally allowed to do. He stopped, not so much for moral reason, but because a lot of times these unscrupulous construction firms didn't pay up after the work was done. This is all second hand info, so I can't verify it's accuracy.

We also get migrant workers under the migrant workers program.

Background On Migrant Workers | Migrant Worker Health | Canada

We also have temporary workers. One well know case was those brought in to build the new subway line, The Canada Line in Vancouver. They had to sue to get what was promised.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...ment-1.1327245
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Old 07-12-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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The fact that Canada doesn't share a border will mitigate a lot of the problems that you describe in your post. I honestly see no need a visa for Mexican visitors. They bring money to the economy and even if some overstay it's not like they could get any government services here
Do you recall why the visa requirement was put in place? The costs to deal and process so many unfounded claims is substantial.


From 2009;


Backgrounder - The Visa Requirement for Mexico


Since 2005, the number of Mexican refugee claimants has almost tripled from about 3,400 in 2005 to more than 9,400 in 2008 when Mexicans accounted for more than 25 percent of all refugee claims filed in Canada. The trend has continued in the first half of this year, with over 5,500 claims received up to June 30, compared with approximately 3,700 for the same period a year ago.
IRB reviewed and completed 5,654 Mexican refugee claims of which 606 were accepted. This represents an overall acceptance rate of 11 percent for Mexican refugee claims. In 2009, the number of claims has increased, while the acceptance rate has decreased further still.



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Old 07-12-2016, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Do you recall why the visa requirement was put in place? The costs to deal and process so many unfounded claims is substantial.

From 2009;

Backgrounder - The Visa Requirement for Mexico
Yes, but Bill C-31 was enacted in 2012 and as a result processing time dropped from 18 months to 60 days.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/44589250-post24.html
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Old 07-13-2016, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Canada
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It seems like most of the people that voted Yes on this poll are Americans.
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Old 07-13-2016, 06:59 AM
 
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It seems like most of the people that voted Yes on this poll are Americans.
Yes, I was gonna ask that. This should be restricted to Canadian citizens.
Whether Canada imposes visa on Mexicans has nothing to do with America, so spare me their usual big ego. This entire post has absolutely nothing to do with any third country. Whether America is concerned or not is none of our damn business.
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Old 07-13-2016, 06:53 PM
 
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Do you recall why the visa requirement was put in place? The costs to deal and process so many unfounded claims is substantial.


From 2009;


Backgrounder - The Visa Requirement for Mexico


Since 2005, the number of Mexican refugee claimants has almost tripled from about 3,400 in 2005 to more than 9,400 in 2008 when Mexicans accounted for more than 25 percent of all refugee claims filed in Canada. The trend has continued in the first half of this year, with over 5,500 claims received up to June 30, compared with approximately 3,700 for the same period a year ago.
IRB reviewed and completed 5,654 Mexican refugee claims of which 606 were accepted. This represents an overall acceptance rate of 11 percent for Mexican refugee claims. In 2009, the number of claims has increased, while the acceptance rate has decreased further still.



As another poster pointed out, the solution is simple. Just simply refuse to accept any refugee claims from Mexican nationals. Don't even give them the option to apply. We can put Mexico on a list of safe countries where we don't accept refugee claims.
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