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Old 08-06-2016, 01:17 AM
 
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My mother is moving into assisted living place next month, I think her cost will be about double of what she is paying for her apartment but she is also going from two to one bedrooms. She still is going to be paying I think it is 3500 per month but she does not get any subsidies party due to collecting a veterans widows pension.
It sounds like she is being charged according to her income rather than everyone being charged equally. Why is that? Isn't that socialism?
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:15 AM
 
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It sounds like she is being charged according to her income rather than everyone being charged equally. Why is that? Isn't that socialism?
It is a privately run facility so not really socialism. I have no information that people on lower income are being charged less than her, nor did I even hint that there are subsidized tenets in her new facikity. As far as I know she is paying the going rate, she never mentioned any means test and she would be paying just a little less if she moved to the city I live in because our cost of living is a little lower.

If she was low income and was being subsidized it would mean that we have a stronger safety net for seniors than places that do not do so. Safety nets and socialism are not the same thing. As to why the place does not charge a higher rate perhaps they are efficient as well as not greedy. You jumped to a very large assumption.
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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It sounds like she is being charged according to her income rather than everyone being charged equally. Why is that? Isn't that socialism?
Re reading my post I guess it did infer that there are subsidies. I do not know if anyone there is subsidized but I have no quarts that the province does subsidize some because that is a what a caring society does for its people. I am sure that some of my income tax subsidizes a variety of people throughout the country and that is fine with me. Perhaps someday I or someone I love will need it too.
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Old 08-06-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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In Manitoba, the cost of nursing home care currently varies from a minimum rate of $34.50 per day to a maximum rate of $80.60 per day, dependant on income.

The maximum rate applies to a resident with a net income after taxes of $67,000 or more.
Residential care to the consumer, the senior, can run as high as $67k annually if annual earning is above poverty level? ... so up to $300k annually?

That's obscene for a one bedroom in a communal residence with cafeteria food. No one in any other age group would pay that much for so little.

Why could so little cost so much only for older people?


I think you misread my post. $80.60 x 365 = $29,419 annually

The maximum cost of a nursing home is currently $29,419 per year. This maximum would apply to anyone with an after tax income of $67,000 or more. That maximum is obviously (to me) still heavily subsidized. I guess that's why it's very difficult for a senior to qualify for entry into a nursing home.

It's obvious to me that you have never visited a nursing home or know the services provided there, provided caregiving yourself to a relative or have had to deal with anyone with more than mild dementia. You have no idea what it's like. This is not the forum to discuss it so I'll just say that no one wants to end up in a nursing home. NO ONE!!!

Getting back to the financial focus of this thread, "assisted living" may have different meanings depending on where you live. In Winnipeg it means living in a one or two bedroom apartment (with small kitchen) in a building where meals are provided in a restaurant-style dining room usually on the main floor of the facility. Menu choices are offered and meals are delivered to the table by waiters. Housekeeping is provided to the apartments once a week. The facility offers daily recreational activities in common areas and regular group outings by the facility's bus. This may include visits to the supermarket and banks. The facility may offer parking spaces to those who have cars and still drive. Residents are lucid and not physically infirm although some may use walkers. Assisted living is NOT subsidized by the government and is run by private companies who presumably charge what the market will bear.
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Old 08-06-2016, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I think you misread my post. $80.60 x 365 = $29,419 annually

The maximum cost of a nursing home is currently $29,419 per year. This maximum would apply to anyone with an after tax income of $67,000 or more. That maximum is obviously (to me) still heavily subsidized. I guess that's why it's very difficult for a senior to qualify for entry into a nursing home.

It's obvious to me that you have never visited a nursing home or know the services provided there, provided caregiving yourself to a relative or have had to deal with anyone with more than mild dementia. You have no idea what it's like. This is not the forum to discuss it so I'll just say that no one wants to end up in a nursing home. NO ONE!!!

Getting back to the financial focus of this thread, "assisted living" may have different meanings depending on where you live. In Winnipeg it means living in a one or two bedroom apartment (with small kitchen) in a building where meals are provided in a restaurant-style dining room usually on the main floor of the facility. Menu choices are offered and meals are delivered to the table by waiters. Housekeeping is provided to the apartments once a week. The facility offers daily recreational activities in common areas and regular group outings by the facility's bus. This may include visits to the supermarket and banks. The facility may offer parking spaces to those who have cars and still drive. Residents are lucid and not physically infirm although some may use walkers. Assisted living is NOT subsidized by the government and is run by private companies who presumably charge what the market will bear.
Here in BC Assisted Living is this

Assisted Living - Province of British Columbia

Long term Residential Care ( Nursing homes ) is this

Long-Term Residential Care - Province of British Columbia

My grandmother was in long term care. 80 percent of her after tax income. Nice place, lovely people. They even had a pub night
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Old 08-06-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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It sounds like she is being charged according to her income rather than everyone being charged equally. Why is that? Isn't that socialism?


Promise me, please that your beliefs are strong enough that you don't partake in any goods or services that is subsidized, since that to you is socialism.

That means, no dairy while in the USA since that industry is heavily subsidized by the government.

It also means paying the full costs of all services such as healthcare, policing, and get that cheque book out when the fire brigade arrives.
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