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Old 03-26-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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People living in Manitoba worried about Mexicans? That's probably worth at least a bit of a laugh!
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Old 03-26-2018, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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The mess won't be lapping at your shores, is what I mean.

I doubt people in Ontario's cottage country will be bemoaning the fact that their shoreline is not swimmable because of the bitumen on Salt Spring Island.

Nor will people be standing in Hyde Park looking down on what was once a nice beach, like we will with Stanley Park.


I understand fully how the economic effects will reverberate across Canada. I just don't believe that risking our West Coast is worth it.

You do have a lot of what if's. That alone makes me see that you have more in common with the thoughts of us BC'er's. We have them too.

Personally I don't believe this issue is enough to destroy Canada.
Hey I do have what if's for sure. I mean what really sucks about this it brings it close to like the 3rd largest city in Canada and what -the most important port. That said, it looks like Dilbit is already making its way to Burnaby terminals as we speak. I guess the question is - how much more risk will this entail and what measures are being taken to address them. I know it is easier for me to say than you guys but if this was happening in Toronto i'd be taking the same approach to this.

No the issue isn't enough to destroy Canada but i'm afraid how nasty it'll potentially get. I honestly haven't seen things this heated between two Provinces in like maybe ever. The Quebec Sovereignty thing in the mid 90's was completely different and in retrospect - I actually support that the referendum occurred.

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Old 03-26-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Max is the proof.

Crickets because there is no reasoning with his point of view. I have tried that before. So it seemed better to let his posts stand as the proof than be dragged into an argument that had no hope of a common understanding. It's called not throwing pearls before swine.

It's very seldom that racists or bigots will see their racism or bigotry.
Fair point. They are the minority but they are certainly there for sure.

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The ecstasy of seeing Trump caught - yet again - for being "the bad guy" is not dissimilar to seeing the bad guys all get killed at the end of a Marvel superhero movie. And the level of analysis is usually about the same.
Believe it or not - I don't have a Twitter account and I've practically given up on FB because it gets on my nerves how out of control people get with it.. I'm eating Chicken for dinner tonight - look how I cooked it type of thing. I got sick of the constant pic updates/status updates about total minutia that I couldn't take it anymore. Trump and Trump complainers would have sent me over the edge or off my rocker.

Anyway- I've had my share of Trump sucks tirades but of course they were justified

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People living in Manitoba worried about Mexicans? That's probably worth at least a bit of a laugh!
Not Mexicans but Somali's yes through Emerson.

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Old 03-26-2018, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Sometimes I creep (I believe that's the word according to my nieces) on Facebook and saw posts by people in this area who were pro Trump (apparently because they were against abortion) but didn't know that Canada has no abortion laws and that the Conservatives weren't touching that subject. They were the same people who posted weird speculations about Obama being the anti-Christ. There is a strange group of people attending a particular American style church who don't know what country they are in. They are also anti immigration and worried about Mexicans.

Do I laugh or do I cry?
Oh my.
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Old 03-26-2018, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Hey I do have what if's for sure. I mean what really sucks about this it brings it close to like the 3rd largest city in Canada and what -the most important port. That said, it looks like Dilbit is already making its way to Burnaby terminals as we speak. I guess the question is - how much more risk will this entail and what measures are being taken to address them. I know it is easier for me to say than you guys but if this was happening in Toronto i'd be taking the same approach to this.

No the issue isn't enough to destroy Canada but i'm afraid how nasty it'll potentially get. I honestly haven't seen things this heated between two Provinces in like maybe ever. The Quebec Sovereignty thing in the mid 90's was completely different and in retrospect - I actually support that the referendum occurred.
I think it's heated for a variety of reasons. The subject touches on environmental issues, provincial rights, First Nations rights, and fossil fuels.

Alberta has all their economic fish in one oily basket. They seem desperate because they are.

Notley has one more year before an election. It's going to be interesting.
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Old 03-26-2018, 03:10 PM
 
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I think it's heated for a variety of reasons. The subject touches on environmental issues, provincial rights, First Nations rights, and fossil fuels.

Alberta has all their economic fish in one oily basket. They seem desperate because they are.
Nat; that's an "us agin them" sounding response and we're all living in the same country. If that attitude becomes entrenched imagine the damage done. I'm still smarting from Locheeds' "let the eastern bastids freeze in the dark" exclaimation.

Alberta is populated by Canadians of all stripe, just as B.C. is.

B.C. has got to get it's message out in a more informative method than simply yakking it up in legislature. You've got to appeal to the people of all the provinces.

In isolation this issue just becomes another reason for the ROC to be pizzed at one province over perceived entrenched greenies and nimbies preventing economic gain for all. You know it's bigger, and now some of us on here know it's bigger, but Canadians are a typically western North American society enthralled with the latest stuff the internet presents us. I think you know what that "stuff" usually defaults to.

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Old 03-26-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Nat; that's an "us agin them" sounding response and we're all living in the same country. If that attitude becomes entrenched imagine the damage done. I'm still smarting from Locheeds' "let the eastern bastids freeze in the dark" exclaimation.

Alberta is popualted by Canadians of all stripe just as B.C. is.

B.C. has got to get it's message out in a more informative method than simply yakking it up in legislature. You've got to appeal to the people of all the provinces.

In isolation this issue just becomes another reason for the ROC to be pizzed at one province over perceived entrenched greenies and nimbies preventing economic gain for all. You know it's bigger and now some of us on here know it's bigger but Canadians are a typically western North American society enthralled with the latest stuff the internet presents us. I think you know what that stuff usually defaults to.

I can see why you would think that, but it's not us against them. I'm trying to protect the West Coast of CANADA, for all Canadians.
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Old 03-26-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Nat; that's an "us agin them" sounding response and we're all living in the same country. If that attitude becomes entrenched imagine the damage done. I'm still smarting from Locheeds' "let the eastern bastids freeze in the dark" exclaimation.

Alberta is popualted by Canadians of all stripe just as B.C. is.

B.C. has got to get it's message out in a more informative method than simply yakking it up in legislature. You've got to appeal to the people of all the provinces.

In isolation this issue just becomes another reason for the ROC to be pizzed at one province over perceived entrenched greenies and nimbies preventing economic gain for all. You know it's bigger and now some of us on here know it's bigger but Canadians are a typically western North American society enthralled with the latest stuff the internet presents us. I think you know what that stuff usually defaults to.
Getting the message out is great, not sure how, since i really don't think the majority of Canadians care about this.

There have been articles, some posted here, even from the Globe and Mail. Environmental groups, First Nations etc have been talking about this for a while. It's a tough one.
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Old 03-26-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Shizer! This one is a real pickle.. I need some boneshaker's....
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Old 03-26-2018, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Also, if you know lawyers they will tell you from time to time people in Canadian courts will talk of "pleading the 5th" - which of course refers to the 5th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America and has no legal bearing in Canada.
I will typically inform my clients ahead of time that they do have the right to remain silent in criminal court, but I will usually add that they cannot "plead the Fifth." It would be embarrassing if they did; it would look like I had not adequately prepared my client.
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