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Old 08-25-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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I agree with this. Legalizing it will also cut down on the exploitation and abuse factor.
People always says this and it is of course true. But legalization isn't regulation. If you really want to hurt the exploitation and abuses, I think prostitution should have a legal public and private sector. The main difference being that the public sector would have great health benefits. Like in Quebec there is Hydro Quebec. For prostitution we could have LAVISHNESS as the one public body.

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Also, it is legal to sell sex. It is illegal to buy sex, or directly say you want to exchange sex or sexual acts for money. The in public thing is a question of public decency above and beyond the whole sex aspect, and I generally agree with that.
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Old 08-25-2016, 06:10 PM
 
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If prostitution was to become legal, pimping would not be as big of a problem.
Based on what I've read or watched via foreign news and documentaries, that appears to be fairly true. Human trafficking within Canada is a horrifying problem. It's hard to guess how much of an improvement there would be in the situation, but any improvement at all would be better than nothing, when you hear about what goes on.

Legalization wouldn't help the problem of pimping underage girls/boys though... and there's always a market for that, rather tragically.

I think some proponents of legalization have a vision in their minds of a business run by mature adults who are freelancing to some degree. Well, there isn't much of a market for that. Much of the illegal business is for teens most of whom aren't even out of junior high school when the pimps get them.
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Old 08-25-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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Based on what I've read or watched via foreign news and documentaries, that appears to be fairly true. Human trafficking within Canada is a horrifying problem. It's hard to guess how much of an improvement there would be in the situation, but any improvement at all would be better than nothing, when you hear about what goes on.

Legalization wouldn't help the problem of pimping underage girls/boys though... and there's always a market for that, rather tragically.

I think some proponents of legalization have a vision in their minds of a business run by mature adults who are freelancing to some degree. Well, there isn't much of a market for that. Much of the illegal business is for teens most of whom aren't even out of junior high school when the pimps get them.
Most prostitutes are of legal age. So there is definitely a market for that. We see it Europe, why couldn't it work here? If prostitution was legalized, regulated and taxed, the cops would have more time and resources to target pimps and rescue/ protect underage prostitutes. I think we need to take a different approach the drug problem as well. Much or the remaing street prostitution we see in our cities is result of the drug trade, which is really another problem all together.
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Old 08-25-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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Most prostitutes are of legal age. So there is definitely a market for that. We see it Europe, why couldn't it work here? If prostitution was legalized, regulated and taxed, the cops would have more time and resources to target pimps and rescue/ protect underage prostitutes. I think we need to take a different approach the drug problem as well. Much or the remaing street prostitution we see in our cities is result of the drug trade, which is really another problem all together.
I don't disagree that legalization would most likely result in less victimization of adult prostitutes.

I'm not totally convinced it would be the all-curing solution to social ills that some folks seem to think it could be. Simply because teen prostitution is the "bread and butter" of human trafficking. If there are stats that show differently, I'd be interested in seeing them.

And you are correct that freeing police resources is a huge issue. If consenting adults want to exchange money for services, it's quite difficult to draw a moral line and argue that society has to have protection from that. Adults assume responsibility for their choices. If more police resources were directed at pimps exploiting kids, that would be for the far greater good, IMO. Can't see how the current entrenched status quo problems are helping anyone, that's for sure. It does seem to tie up a disproportionate amount of resources versus the dire need to help victimized kids. It's a true tragedy for them.
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Old 08-25-2016, 07:56 PM
 
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I'm not totally convinced it would be the all-curing solution to social ills that some folks seem to think it could be. Simply because teen prostitution is the "bread and butter" of human trafficking. If there are stats that show differently, I'd be interested in seeing them..
No one is saying it should.... But in the end it is still an individual rights issue.

Human trafficking is not a sex trade only concern. It is a labor (forced and denial of rights) concern. It exists in food services, nanny, nail salons, agricultural, and hospitality services among many other places. None of those labor types are made illegal... why should sex services be the exception?

http://www.city-data.com/blogs/comme...ment60909.html


At the core, everyone has a right to choose what they do with their lives (and their bodies). You don't make the labor type illegal because of an unwanted criminal element.


Supports (such as I) typically want legalization but with heavy regulation. Just like alcohol sales, it should not be sold on the street. It should also be regulated by labor laws (limits child labor) that have been enhanced specifically for treating sex trade as a vice. Resources should be dedicated to the criminal elements (pimping, child, and human trafficking) and allow women who work in the sex trade to seek authorities for help without threat of prosecution (or worse). Personally, my primary concern is legal protections for women when they are targeted.
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:21 PM
 
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There has been studies done where legalized prostitution has lead to a decrease in the divorce rate in the area. Win win win.
Ya you are kind of talking about 2 different things. Wanting prostitution to be legal likely does not mean people support open marriages or their parents using the services of prostitutes ... lol.

Whoa... if someone needs the services of a prostitute to keep their marriage together Jerry Springer might need them on his show ( is that show even still around ).
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:26 PM
 
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Most prostitutes are of legal age. So there is definitely a market for that. We see it Europe, why couldn't it work here? If prostitution was legalized, regulated and taxed, the cops would have more time and resources to target pimps and rescue/ protect underage prostitutes. I think we need to take a different approach the drug problem as well. Much or the remaing street prostitution we see in our cities is result of the drug trade, which is really another problem all together.

According to who? This is a don't tell and don't ask industry. If someone is being trafficked do you think things would end up well for them if they start sharing that they are really underage? They are likely to get beaten up or murdered. Some girls can easily look a lot older then they are depending on have they are dressed and conduct themselves. This stuff is happening all over this country and the world... but it is concealed. People without status that are trafficked are not accounted for so to some extent legally they don't exist.
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Old 08-25-2016, 09:06 PM
 
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According to who? This is a don't tell and don't ask industry. If someone is being trafficked do you think things would end up well for them if they start sharing that they are really underage? They are likely to get beaten up or murdered. Some girls can easily look a lot older then they are depending on have they are dressed and conduct themselves. This stuff is happening all over this country and the world... but it is concealed. People without status that are trafficked are not accounted for so to some extent legally they don't exist.
I shouldn't have said that, you're right, I don't know. I often view prostitution as being provided by escorts services and strips clubs where it is easier to detect underage prostitutes. But I really have no idea how big the problem of underage prostitutes is. I have read that street prostitution is on the decline in Canadian cities, and much of it has moved online. I realize that it is a problem there, but still I don't know if underage workers make up the majority in this country. This is all the more reason to legalize it for prostitutes of legal age. Having said that, there are plenty of prostitutes of legal age in this country, There is a market for that.





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I'm not totally convinced it would be the all-curing solution to social ills that some folks seem to think it could be. Simply because teen prostitution is the "bread and butter" of human trafficking. If there are stats that show differently, I'd be interested in seeing them.
Human trafficking is not exclusive to the sex industry. So I can't answer that, I don't know if teenagers make up the majority of illegal sex workers in this country or not. What ever the case maybe teenage prostitution is a problem, I am aware of that. I would also like to see statistics.

I never said legalization and regulation is the cure of all ills, but I think If prostitution was legal and regulated, if there was a safe place for a prostitute to provide her services that johns could visit, the chances of a john wandering the streets and picking up a teenager or getting services through the internet would be reduced.

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Old 08-25-2016, 09:21 PM
 
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In the US, child labor made victims of children. The textile industry was especially negligent of abusing child labor and terrible work conditions. The recourse was not to outlaw the textile industry but to limit or eliminate it through labor laws and regulation.

The same can be said about teenage/child/underage prostitution. The countries/states/etc own labor laws should be applicable and even enhanced to address the issues.



Statistics in prostitution are difficult to ascertain because it is illegal and underground. No person breaking the law is going to step forward for the sake of gathering statistics. From my readings, the vast majority of the statistics are gathered from shelters and prisons... the statistics are overwhelmingly focused on the lowest denominator of those practicing prostitution. Meanwhile, my personal experience shows me differently... quite the opposite in fact.

Neither view is correct over the general.

But what is absolutely correct is that individual choices are being denied and there exists individuals who are adults making a choice to earn a living through sex work.... These same individuals may be victims (forced, coercion, abused etc) .. yes... absolutely.. but in the eyes of the laws they are not only victims but they are also criminals.
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Old 08-25-2016, 09:34 PM
 
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I did a search online and it is hard to find nation wide statistics on prostitution.
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