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Old 10-27-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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I'm curious as to what you would have Canada and Canadians do? What would be a realistic alternative, short of complaining everyday about our depressing state of affairs?

Glad you are enjoying yourself in Lyon. We are all really really happy for you.
Botti is now truly Canadian. Struggling with his identity LOL

Seriously though, he doesn't get it.

The US and Canada ( even though they were " created " years apart as countries), are still two countries that grew up together. Of course the one with 9 times the population and super power is going to over shadow the smaller one.

Instead of Botti complaining about silly thing like Starbuck's and sandwich shops, he should be impressed that Canada has forged it's own identity in spite of all this. We have our own history, our own way of doing things and yes overall a different mindset.

He can't see that yet because he is only able to focus on corporate signage.

I sincerely hope he is not going around France wagging his finger at the French for having American influence as well. As I said though, he seems to be able to forgive them for having " Hamburger Quick " but not Mcdonald's.

EDIT: He says he ins't in Lyon anymore, but in a culturally safe place devoid of Starbucks.
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Old 10-28-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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I'm curious as to what you would have Canada and Canadians do? What would be a realistic alternative, short of complaining everyday about our depressing state of affairs?

Glad you are enjoying yourself in Lyon. We are all really really happy for you.
Not hard to think of: creating more media content that is less focused on the US, for starter? Have more local brands, even if they are chains, than all the American ones? Quebec seems to be doing ok. Sharing the same language should not make English Canadians lazy, should it?

I don't buy this :because we are next to a country 9 times of our size with the same language, so we are have to just take whatever crap they export. Doesn't sound a nation of pride.

You are habitually being mean and sarcastic in your second sentence again every time you are frustrated with opposing opinions. Not the first time, I get it but you should really avoid doing that.
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Old 10-28-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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Botti is now truly Canadian. Struggling with his identity LOL

Seriously though, he doesn't get it.

The US and Canada ( even though they were " created " years apart as countries), are still two countries that grew up together. Of course the one with 9 times the population and super power is going to over shadow the smaller one.

Instead of Botti complaining about silly thing like Starbuck's and sandwich shops, he should be impressed that Canada has forged it's own identity in spite of all this. We have our own history, our own way of doing things and yes overall a different mindset.

He can't see that yet because he is only able to focus on corporate signage.

I sincerely hope he is not going around France wagging his finger at the French for having American influence as well. As I said though, he seems to be able to forgive them for having " Hamburger Quick " but not Mcdonald's.

EDIT: He says he ins't in Lyon anymore, but in a culturally safe place devoid of Starbucks.
Overshallowing is fine, being indistinguishable is sad.
Austria is 1/10 of Germany too, and I don't think they are so much alike.

Quick Burger is fine because it is at least local. Yes, that makes a difference. France has chains like Paul, brioche doree, or Carrefour, Casino, but they are French, a lot less boring than American chains.

US and Canada started as the same people, but 200 years have passed. It is no excuse any more. Taiwan is separated from China for only 70 years and it is vastly different from China although being an insignificant percentage of it (1/65).
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Old 10-28-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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Overshallowing is fine, being indistinguishable is sad.
Austria is 1/10 of Germany too, and I don't think they are so much alike.

Quick Burger is fine because it is at least local. Yes, that makes a difference. France has chains like Paul, brioche doree, or Carrefour, Casino, but they are French, a lot less boring than American chains.

US and Canada started as the same people, but 200 years have passed. It is no excuse any more. Taiwan is separated from China for only 70 years and it is vastly different from China although being an insignificant percentage of it (1/65).
As they say apples and oranges.

Indistinguishable only for those with no depth, who only see superficial things.

Austria and Germany. They are as different as Canada and the US, Australia and New Zealand.

As for French chains not being boring...ask the French, you might get an earful about large Hyper Marche's.
The ones I've visited in France are very similar to what you get anywhere.

France is a tiny country size wise. It's whole system of government and ways of doing business is different.

Carrefour by your way of rating companies, is only good while it exist in France. Are you going to tell the people in the 30 other countries in which Carrefour operates that in their case Carrefour is bad because it's not local?

I laughed at your China and Taiwan comparison. Hmmm. Think....why are they so different I wonder...what could it be....
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Old 10-28-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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Overshallowing is fine, being indistinguishable is sad.
Austria is 1/10 of Germany too, and I don't think they are so much alike.

Quick Burger is fine because it is at least local. Yes, that makes a difference. France has chains like Paul, brioche doree, or Carrefour, Casino, but they are French, a lot less boring than American chains.

US and Canada started as the same people, but 200 years have passed. It is no excuse any more. Taiwan is separated from China for only 70 years and it is vastly different from China although being an insignificant percentage of it
(1/65).
Let's see:

- the U.S. doesn't have 1000 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles pointed at Canada? China does, at Taiwan, for the last 4 decades.
- the U.S. and Canada share many common values and system of government? China and Taiwan are like fire and water in terms of governance and values.
- the U.S. and China never had a conflict of such scale that created 10 million military and civilian casualties on both sides? China (KMT and CPC between 1928 to 1949)
- Taiwan has been allied firmly with the U.S. coalition/NATO/West since 1949; China with the former USSR and Russia.

Nuff said.

This comparison isn't even apples to oranges. It's more like Apples to Martian Watermelons.

Go on Botti. Keep scraping the bottom of the barrel to prove Canada is the most boring bland culturally depressing and uninspiring country ever to grace the face of the earth. Just be careful not to get to get splinters on your fingernails.
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Old 10-28-2016, 03:40 PM
 
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Let's see:

- the U.S. doesn't have 1000 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles pointed at Canada? China does, at Taiwan, for the last 4 decades.
- the U.S. and Canada share many common values and system of government? China and Taiwan are like fire and water in terms of governance and values.
- the U.S. and China never had a conflict of such scale that created 10 million military and civilian casualties on both sides? China (KMT and CPC between 1928 to 1949)
- Taiwan has been allied firmly with the U.S. coalition/NATO/West since 1949; China with the former USSR and Russia.

Nuff said.

This comparison isn't even apples to oranges. It's more like Apples to Martian Watermelons.

Go on Botti. Keep scraping the bottom of the barrel to prove Canada is the most boring bland culturally depressing and uninspiring country ever to grace the face of the earth. Just be careful not to get to get splinters on your fingernails.
I'm also chuckling to myself that he holds up French supermarkets as an example of not being Americanized when the supermarket idea and the self-service type grocery shopping were started in the USA.

Martian Watermelons...bad...not local.
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Old 10-28-2016, 11:03 PM
 
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OK, first sorry, I didn't mean it is great new like we won a prize or something. I came across such statistics and was kind of shocked if not embarassed. High numbers of starbucks of me essentially indicates how Americanized (or boring) a country is.

Canada has more starbucks per person than even the US. Wow, that's just pathetic. Look at the list of countries, do you realize none of the countries with rich coffee culture (such as France, Italy, or Brazil) are at the top of the list. Instead of we have US, UK, Canada, Singapore, Japan, South Korea.

Then look at the cities with most starbucks locations. Again, Toronto is number 6, just behind much larger cities such as NYC, London, and Shanghai and Seoul . And we have Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary. On the other hand, Paris, Vienna, Rome, you know those cities known to have great cafe culture are not where near the list. It is like a list of places which desperate want to be more "American". And not surprisingly Montreal is not in it (although it has more than 50 already) while much smaller Vancouver has more than twice as many (108).

Besides American cities, all the cities seem to be more of a tea culture (Shanghai, Seoul, Beijing Istanbul, Taipei, Hong kong) AND Canadian cities (proudly). This is where Starbucks are popular. (yeah, I can tell you how little the Shanghainese know about coffee)
.-. South Korea has very little tea culture, not sure what you are talking about. Unless you are talking about herbal tea, which coffee sort of is, anyway.
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Old 10-29-2016, 07:00 AM
 
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As they say apples and oranges.

Indistinguishable only for those with no depth, who only see superficial things.

Austria and Germany. They are as different as Canada and the US, Australia and New Zealand.

As for French chains not being boring...ask the French, you might get an earful about large Hyper Marche's.
The ones I've visited in France are very similar to what you get anywhere.

France is a tiny country size wise. It's whole system of government and ways of doing business is different.

Carrefour by your way of rating companies, is only good while it exist in France. Are you going to tell the people in the 30 other countries in which Carrefour operates that in their case Carrefour is bad because it's not local?

I laughed at your China and Taiwan comparison. Hmmm. Think....why are they so different I wonder...what could it be....
Of course having chains nowadays is inevitable - and it is not necessarily a bad thing.
But my point is when the entire market is dominated by an ubiquitous foreign chain, it becomes bad. I don't mind starbucks being in France or Austria or China at all - but when it becomes this dominating market power, the default choice, it hurts the cultural richness and market diversity. If you are ok with it, fine. I am only expressing my despisement.

Guess Canada is totally cool with all the American chains. OK... And again, you don't seem to be able to tolerate criticism.

In terms of "depth", I guess you are going beyond lifestyle and probably meant Canada is a lot liberal etc, as it is often argued, I agree but how is Canada really different from those very liberal US states? In the end, Canada still has very little that makes it distinguishable from the US.
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Old 10-29-2016, 07:01 AM
 
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.-. South Korea has very little tea culture, not sure what you are talking about. Unless you are talking about herbal tea, which coffee sort of is, anyway.
That's interesting to know. I stand corrected. Thanks!
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Old 10-29-2016, 07:09 AM
 
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I'm also chuckling to myself that he holds up French supermarkets as an example of not being Americanized when the supermarket idea and the self-service type grocery shopping were started in the USA.

Martian Watermelons...bad...not local.
Carrefour is actually older than walmart. The oldest supermarket was created in Denmark, not the US. America had the first supermarket in as late as 1930, while Casino (France) was established in 1898 and Super U in 1894. The idea of "hypermarch" didn't even originate from the US and it would be weird to call them "Americanized".
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