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Old 10-29-2016, 07:17 AM
 
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Go on Botti. Keep scraping the bottom of the barrel to prove Canada is the most boring bland culturally depressing and uninspiring country ever to grace the face of the earth. Just be careful not to get to get splinters on your fingernails.
Put aside the political stuff, you honestly don't think Canada is culturally boring and bland? You don't think it is an incredibly homogeneous country? I am really not sure if you really believe that, or you are just trying to prove me wrong no matter what.

Again, the last sentence is mean spirited. There is no point of doing that. It is like you can't help with this bad habit. It doesn't make your argument any stronger, or make me ashamed, just you know. It only shows your uncontrollable meanness toward anyone you happen not to agree with, which has been displayed repeated on this forum.

And I guess you will initiate another long tirade against me. I know you can't help it. Fortunately I am too busy to able to read everything on this forum any more.
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Old 10-29-2016, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Overshallowing is fine, being indistinguishable is sad.
Austria is 1/10 of Germany too, and I don't think they are so much alike.

Quick Burger is fine because it is at least local. Yes, that makes a difference. France has chains like Paul, brioche doree, or Carrefour, Casino, but they are French, a lot less boring than American chains.

US and Canada started as the same people, but 200 years have passed. It is no excuse any more. Taiwan is separated from China for only 70 years and it is vastly different from China although being an insignificant percentage of it (1/65).
I find Austria and Germany very much alike, especially Bavaria.

Paul and Brioche Dorée are overpriced and horrible. I honestly prefer McD's and Starbucks to them.

There's a water between China and Taiwan, that makes all the differences. Also, the history of Taiwan and China can't be more different than Canada and America's. Taiwan's current residents are mostly immigrants from China, with the latter being an old civilisation, while Canada and America are both young, migrant nations. Besides, for the brief 400 years of Taiwanese history, about half of them are seperate from China, that includes the last 120 years (except for the four years between 1945-1949), which are arguably the ones that shape today's world the most.

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Besides American cities, all the cities seem to be more of a tea culture (Shanghai, Seoul, Beijing Istanbul, Taipei, Hong kong)
Also, Taipei has a huge coffee scene as well. You can google "coffee cities"(or something like that), Taipei would often be on the list. For every Starbucks on the corner, there are probably 5 independent coffee houses/shops.

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.-. South Korea has very little tea culture, not sure what you are talking about. Unless you are talking about herbal tea, which coffee sort of is, anyway.
Yeah you have the culture of alcoholism and excessive smoking.
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Old 10-29-2016, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Carrefour is actually older than walmart. The oldest supermarket was created in Denmark, not the US. America had the first supermarket in as late as 1930, while Casino (France) was established in 1898 and Super U in 1894. The idea of "hypermarch" didn't even originate from the US and it would be weird to call them "Americanized".
The oldest modern supermarket was NOT created in Denmark. The oldest supermarket in Denmark is føtex . I think you are confusing the companies beginnings, which is 100 years ago, to the day that company opened it's first supermarket in Denmark in 1960.

"føtex – the first supermarket in Denmark
In 1960, Herman Salling, the son of Ferdinand Salling, founded føtex - the first supermarket in Denmark. From 1960, Herman Salling’s business expanded and became the foundation of Dansk Supermarked Group
."

https://dansksupermarked.com/about/our-history/

I remember visiting France in the mid 19080's. Supermarkets were there, but not the norm and everyone referred to them as an American way of shopping and not the French way of buying things everyday.

Again you are confusing a companies beginnings with opening a supermarket. Casino did indeed have grocery stores ( which are different from Supermarkets ) in 1898. It was NOT what is considered a modern supermarket .

"The first self-service store was opened in 1948 followed by the installation of France’s first refigerated display in 1949" Refrigerated displays existed long before that in the US and Canada. Hard to imagine what one would call a supermarket without refrigerated displays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupe_Casino


Frances first true supermarket was Super-Marche DOC, which opened in 1959.

I stand by statement that the modern supermarket idea was from the US. So yes, those self-service supermarkets in Europe are an Americanization of grocery shopping. It doesn't matter that they have been there for years and are ingrained now as part of their landscape.

I'm expecting you to argue next that Jazz is really French.

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Old 10-29-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Of course having chains nowadays is inevitable - and it is not necessarily a bad thing.
But my point is when the entire market is dominated by an ubiquitous foreign chain, it becomes bad. I don't mind starbucks being in France or Austria or China at all - but when it becomes this dominating market power, the default choice, it hurts the cultural richness and market diversity. If you are ok with it, fine. I am only expressing my despisement.

Guess Canada is totally cool with all the American chains. OK... And again, you don't seem to be able to tolerate criticism.

In terms of "depth", I guess you are going beyond lifestyle and probably meant Canada is a lot liberal etc, as it is often argued, I agree but how is Canada really different from those very liberal US states? In the end, Canada still has very little that makes it distinguishable from the US.

Starbucks is not the entire coffee market in Canada. It HASN"T hurt the markets diversity since I and others have given credit to Starbucks for kickstarting a myriad of new coffee places, chains and others.

In my neighbourhood I have 3 Starbucks, but 8 coffee houses that are independent or part of a small chain like JJ Bean and Artigiano.

Canada is cool with American chains, because Canada is a free market economy. Follow the rules, then you are welcome to do business and give employment etc.

By depth I mean to suggest that you are only scratching the surface of what it means to be Canadian. Yes we have a lot in common with liberal states, but that's true for liberal Australians as well. If you were to sit down with a group of liberal Canadians and liberal Americans, you will find that their outlooks aren't entirely the same. The simple fact that Americans live in a super power changes their perspective of the world. Their connections to guns and war will be far different than most Canadians since there are liberal in the US that believe in the 2nd amendment. They are also more likely to be able to talk about first hand experience of a family member going to war, or at least being in the military than most Canadians. This comes with being a military superpower.

Plus our whole political system and landscape is very different from the US.

I do take comfort in the fact that at least you had to pick the US apart by mentioning liberal states as being more similar to Canada thereby admitting that the two countries on a whole are quite different.

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Old 10-30-2016, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Put aside the political stuff, you honestly don't think Canada is culturally boring and bland? You don't think it is an incredibly homogeneous country? I am really not sure if you really believe that, or you are just trying to prove me wrong no matter what.

Again, the last sentence is mean spirited. There is no point of doing that. It is like you can't help with this bad habit. It doesn't make your argument any stronger, or make me ashamed, just you know. It only shows your uncontrollable meanness toward anyone you happen not to agree with, which has been displayed repeated on this forum.

And I guess you will initiate another long tirade against me. I know you can't help it. Fortunately I am too busy to able to read everything on this forum any more.
I don't think Canada is totally boring and bland, but this argument reminds me of a question like "is Bill Gates super handsome?"

He is rich, successful, admired, healthy, but… does he have it all? Is he a sex symbol too?

Canada is kind of like Bill Gates. It almost has it all as a country, except maybe for climactic diversity. And of course maybe a compelling cultural identity (as we are discussing here).

So given Canada's tremendous success in so many areas, people have a tendency to want to force things, and claim that it indeed does have it all.
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Old 10-30-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I don't think Canada is totally boring and bland, but this argument reminds me of a question like "is Bill Gates super handsome?"

He is rich, successful, admired, healthy, but… does he have it all? Is he a sex symbol too?

Canada is kind of like Bill Gates. It almost has it all as a country, except maybe for climactic diversity. And of course maybe a compelling cultural identity (as we are discussing here).

So given Canada's tremendous success in so many areas, people have a tendency to want to force things, and claim that it indeed does have it all.
Besides an image problem with the ignorant, what does it lack? I'm not talking hot tropical weather, a lot of great countries lack that.

As we used to joke to our American friends " well at least in Canada our strippers take it ALL off "
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Old 10-30-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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Yes we have a lot in common with liberal states, but that's true for liberal Australians as well.

Alberta has more in common with Texas than BC....just saying.....I do not know much about Saskatchewan and Manitoba...

Overall, in my opinion I think that our friend Botti is a classic case of an immigrant that in his heart wanted to live in the US but he had to settle for Canada.
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Old 10-30-2016, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Alberta has more in common with Texas than BC....just saying.....I do not know much about Saskatchewan and Manitoba...

Overall, in my opinion I think that our friend Botti is a classic case of an immigrant that in his heart wanted to live in the US but he had to settle for Canada.
Actually Botti doesn't really like the US either. His past posts show that.

Alberta is compared to Texas because of the oil, and we joke that it is our most " American " province, but they more that is not common, than common between them.
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Old 10-30-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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Actually Botti doesn't really like the US either. His past posts show that.
I actually arrived to the opposite conclusion and I remember that once he said clearly he would have loved to live in San Francisco......would he prefer to live in France?? Probably yes, he loves the French Riviera...he does not say the US is perfect (nobody does) but offer him a fully fledged Green Card and see if he would stick around in Toronto....

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Alberta is compared to Texas because of the oil, and we joke that it is our most " American " province, but they more that is not common, than common between them.

Alberta has more in common with Texas than just the oil....

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Old 10-30-2016, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Besides an image problem with the ignorant, what does it lack? I'm not talking hot tropical weather, a lot of great countries lack that.

If you mean that negatively, I am not sure it's only the "ignorant" around the world who know very little about Canada.


Also, I wouldn't say Canada has an "image problem". An image problem would be most people having an inaccurate picture of the country and this would have negative implications.


As I said, most people around the world know little about us. We're quite low profile. But when they do think about us, it's positive. But maybe light on the details.
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