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Old 11-10-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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They started as spur of left leaning ideologies....is an historical fact.....national socialism Nat....did you skip that in School??
Did you miss the part about how National Socialism was never actually socialism? Do you think if he called it the National Fascist Party people would of been happy?
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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Nah, it was because Gorbachev was the man he was. Anyone else, it probably never would of happened.

You're quoting without sources...so???

Linking Reagan to housing prices in Canada. Now that's a first. I'll give you a clue...it is MUCH more complicated than that.

Gorby simply saw the writing on the wall....him or anybody else...the situation was untenable....


Yep...linking Reagan to asset price rising.....not the only factor but one of the factors....break it down and you will get to the connection...
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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Did you miss the part about how National Socialism was never actually socialism? Do you think if he called it the National Fascist Party people would of been happy?

Nat....read the history of the National Socialism and fascism in Italy....


FD Roosevelt love letters to Mussolini...


America's Changing View of Mussolini and Italian Fascism
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:45 PM
 
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....for the average middle class, the US is an as equal society as Canada, no difference whatsoever, yes we have many more ultra rich billionaires so "technically" there is more inequality.

Healthcare, for the middle class, is less of a problem than it was before and Obamacare is not going away, mark my words, I bet Trump eventually will push for a public option...he is a big spender if you believe some of his promises.

Violent crime and no go zones (they go hand in hand)...yes a problem but it does not affect your average middle class person...sure we should eliminate them.

In terms of economic advancement and opportunities for the motivated the US is better than Canada by a long shot




This is what you do not understand as we discussed before..the difference between a need and be free to do something if I want to as long as it does not effects others....the very basic of freedom


You do not need a 200 mph Ferrari.....
In regards to your first point I'll make the following change. White. You forgot the word white.

Healthcare still costs more out of pocket for a middle - class family than in Canada, and is much more complicated for some in the fact they still have to deal with insurers and are restricted much more than we are in Canada...so no.

Most middle - class in the US don't have to deal with violent crime directly, granted, but it's still there. How many middle-class children have shot someone in Canada compared to the US for starters. Also having to find out when travelling to another US city what neighbourhoods to avoid...not because they aren't pleasant, but because they are dangerous ?

As for economic advancement...well that is the American Ideal. The almighty dollar. There is so much more to life. You as an Italian should know better.

Are you suggesting Canada isn't free? LOL. The ability to do what we want is restricted how? Anyone who believes that their actions DON'T affect others lives a solitary life.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:46 PM
 
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Gorby simply saw the writing on the wall....him or anybody else...the situation was untenable....


Yep...linking Reagan to asset price rising.....not the only factor but one of the factors....break it down and you will get to the connection...

Gorbachev actually tried to save Soviet Union, but it was not possible - the economy was collapsing, food rationed, budget was depleted due to low oil prices and arms race with US.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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Not the ones I know from London and Mississagua. They fire off some pretty good rants and are good bit to the right of me.
Oh yes, the great Canadian metropolises of Mississauga and London. Certainly very representative of the entire country.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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Gorbachev actually tried to save Soviet Union, but it was not possible - the economy was collapsing, food rationed, budget was depleted due to low oil prices and arms race with US.
Exactly.....
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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...so what is your problem with self defense....do you have any issue with my freedom (actually my right) to defend my life if the need arise???


Let me ask you a very simple question my friend....we are both in a mall and we have a crazy guy starting to shoot people (and remember, it can happen in Canada too)......this guy is starting to shoot in your direction......I'm next to you...you want me armed trying to stop him or you prefer to die?? A simple yes or no answer please....
There is no need in Canada to carry a gun for defence.

Your scenario belongs in movies. You're working and a guy comes in shooting. I'm guessing he's pissed off and he going to bring as much fire power as he can. Much more than your hand gun. You make a move to get your gun...that is IF your employer even lets you bring one into work, you get shot first.

Let's say others in your workplace are all carrying guns...the police arrive...who is the bad guy or guys?

I find it odd though, that in this thread, you say the middle-class won't/doesn't come into contact with violent crime and YET you feel the need to have a gun for self defence. Which is it?

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Old 11-10-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Gorby simply saw the writing on the wall....him or anybody else...the situation was untenable....


Yep...linking Reagan to asset price rising.....not the only factor but one of the factors....break it down and you will get to the connection...
...and what was Reagan going to do? Start a nuclear war with the USSR? Is that what " scared " them.

Giving Reagan credit for the break-up of the USSR is revisionist history.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:56 PM
 
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In regards to your first point I'll make the following change. White. You forgot the word white.

Healthcare still costs more out of pocket for a middle - class family than in Canada, and is much more complicated for some in the fact they still have to deal with insurers and are restricted much more than we are in Canada...so no.

Most middle - class in the US don't have to deal with violent crime directly, granted, but it's still there. How many middle-class children have shot someone in Canada compared to the US for starters. Also having to find out when travelling to another US city what neighbourhoods to avoid...not because they aren't pleasant, but because they are dangerous ?

As for economic advancement...well that is the American Ideal. The almighty dollar. There is so much more to life. You as an Italian should know better.

Are you suggesting Canada isn't free? LOL. The ability to do what we want is restricted how? Anyone who believes that their actions DON'T affect others lives a solitary life.

No...not only white Nat...actually, it may come to a shock to you but some time ago I posted an article where it stated that the average immigrant overall does better in US than in Canada, remember??...oops!!!

Even the "no go zones" are not so dangerous as you (and many Canadians) may think...I actually walked in some of them and talk to nice people....

Yes as Italian I know better, there is more in life than economic advancement....I just do not think Canada offers me that better trade-off....Europe does and if one day I would ever leave the US I would go back to Europe or maybe Australia....down under actually does better than Canada when it comes to welfare state policies.

I never suggested Canada is "not free"....definitely it has not more freedom than the US.
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