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Old 12-24-2016, 01:06 AM
 
Location: BC Canada
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Like I said there will always be a more acute attachment of Quebecers to their own province as opposed to Canada as a whole equalled only by Newfoundland.

Having a deep attachment and wanting to leave are two different things. Quebecers managed to rip apart their economy and society twice already and people in Quebec are sick of it. I'm sure many {particularly older Quebecers from the 1960/70/80s movements} would love to see an independent Quebec but it's not going to happen for 2 reasons:

A} Quebecers are sick of the debate
B} Quebecers now realize that the rest of Canada wouldn't allow it or would simply ignore the vote and carry on as usual. Canadians today would never again accept something like "sovereignty association" which effective meant a divorce with bedroom privileges although admittedly no one really knew what it meant including the PQ.

I remember the Quebexodus but it is now a memory and is best left there. It has taken so long to undue all the damage that was caused by the separatist movements and especially the votes themselves and now that Quebec is back on it's feet it doesn't want to again put that in jeopardy. Quebecers do not again want to see their family members, fellow employees, neighbours, and friends leave the province once again. There are certainly some old guard separatists but the vast majority know the damage it did to Quebec and don't want a repeat for a vote that, would again, most assuredly fail.
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Old 12-24-2016, 03:44 AM
 
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The separatists plan for Canadas 150th=
Quebec separatists promise ‘alternate’ history during Canada’s 150th birthday | Montreal Gazette
The accompanying comments are also an interesting read.
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Old 12-24-2016, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Montreal > Quebec > Canada
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Like I said there will always be a more acute attachment of Quebecers to their own province as opposed to Canada as a whole equalled only by Newfoundland.

Having a deep attachment and wanting to leave are two different things. Quebecers managed to rip apart their economy and society twice already and people in Quebec are sick of it. I'm sure many {particularly older Quebecers from the 1960/70/80s movements} would love to see an independent Quebec but it's not going to happen for 2 reasons:

A} Quebecers are sick of the debate
B} Quebecers now realize that the rest of Canada wouldn't allow it or would simply ignore the vote and carry on as usual. Canadians today would never again accept something like "sovereignty association" which effective meant a divorce with bedroom privileges although admittedly no one really knew what it meant including the PQ.
They're not really "sick of the debate". They just care less than they used to.


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I remember the Quebexodus but it is now a memory and is best left there. It has taken so long to undue all the damage that was caused by the separatist movements and especially the votes themselves and now that Quebec is back on it's feet it doesn't want to again put that in jeopardy. Quebecers do not again want to see their family members, fellow employees, neighbours, and friends leave the province once again. There are certainly some old guard separatists but the vast majority know the damage it did to Quebec and don't want a repeat for a vote that, would again, most assuredly fail.
This isn't a concern to French speakings québécois, really. They didn't see "their family members, fellow employees, neighbours, and friends leave the province once again." This only happened in English-speaking circles, really.
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Old 12-24-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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They're not really "sick of the debate". They just care less than they used to.




This isn't a concern to French speakings québécois, really. They didn't see "their family members, fellow employees, neighbours, and friends leave the province once again." This only happened in English-speaking circles, really.
I was just gonna say that this was a very anglo perspective on late 20th century Quebec history.

85-90% of people in Quebec were not really concerned by this.
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Old 12-27-2016, 11:39 PM
 
Location: BC Canada
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Perhaps that is true but Quebec has changed a lot since those 2 referendums.

While Franco/Anglo/Allo communities in Quebec were very distinct that is far less the case now. People of all types intermingle in families, friends, workplaces, and neighbours. You don't have the strict cultural/linguistic stratification that you use to have in Quebec.
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Old 12-28-2016, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Perhaps that is true but Quebec has changed a lot since those 2 referendums.

While Franco/Anglo/Allo communities in Quebec were very distinct that is far less the case now. People of all types intermingle in families, friends, workplaces, and neighbours. You don't have the strict cultural/linguistic stratification that you use to have in Quebec.
This is a valid point.

But keep in mind also that in the seventies and eighties the acrimony was as much about language as it was separation anxiety.

Today the language thing is much less acute as most anglophones and allophones speak French and way more of them accept that Quebec is a primarily francophone society.
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