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Old 12-14-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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Sounds like it is a bigger problem for you than it is for Canada. Unless what you are selling is world-unique, indispensible and cannot be produced in any way by anyone else.

In some cases yes.OH well, we will do whatw e cana s we can and ... if not ready Canadian companies will just have to wait tillw e have the time. Dual or multi language labels are common but not required by law. And just for ... Quebec and forced on everyone. There is a reason some call it CanaDuh.
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Old 12-14-2016, 01:03 PM
 
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In the USA ONLY English is required. In Canada:

What information is required on a supplier label?

Supplier labels must be written in English and French. They may be bilingual (as one label), or available as two labels (one each in English and French).

The standard also reuires the SDS to be done in both. This is a major expense for supplying far fewer companies in Canada than in the US. I am still trying to figure out why a customer in Alberta needs it in French?????

Don't the teach English in Quebec as they do in France???
The European Union has 24 official languages and has multilingual packaging on most items and you are seriously complaining about 2 languages? You seriously need to get over yourself
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Old 12-14-2016, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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[/b]In some cases yes.OH well, we will do whatw e cana s we can and ... if not ready Canadian companies will just have to wait tillw e have the time. Dual or multi language labels are common but not required by law. And just for ... Quebec and forced on everyone. There is a reason some call it CanaDuh.
This is a tad overly dramatic.


The 19 pages you referred to probably amount to about 8000 words. This can be done in about a week for around a thousand bucks.


Once it's done it's good for many, many years with perhaps only very occasional updates.


It's not a big deal for those who are of good faith.
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Old 12-14-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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People in Quebec aren't the only people in Canada who speak/read French. Canada has a lot of new immigrants from many other countries who speak and read French more fluently than English (if they have any English at all) either as their first language or else in addition to other non-English languages that are their first languages from the countries they immigrated from. So it's not only French-Canadians in Quebec that are being convenienced, it is also many other new Canadians and prospective new Canadians from many countries.

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[/b]In some cases yes.OH well, we will do what we can as we can and ... if not ready Canadian companies will just have to wait till we have the time. Dual or multi language labels are common but not required by law. And just for ... Quebec and forced on everyone. There is a reason some call it CanaDuh.
How about you tell us what your product is so we'll know whether or not it's something that foreign countries would consider worth waiting for?

Judging by your posts about multiple language labelling not being worth your while I'm thinking your product must be something that there would actually be no great demand for in any other countries outside of USA. Or else it's already so common it can easily be found from other producers in both America and several other countries (including Canada) who are willing to take time and make it worth their while to cater to their customers' conveniences in order to compete for more sales.

So what is your product? I'm sure other curious minds also want to know.

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Old 12-14-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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Dual language labeling guidelines have been around literally for decades at this point. If it's too much baggage, don't sell, but for goodness sakes, quit whining like a little b over something that is older than the vast majority of people even on this forum.


Those are the rules. Abide by them, or don't. No one cares.
As another business owner I will confirm what expatCA is saying. When you manufacture goods, you manufacture in big batches. The bigger batches you manufacture, the lower the cost. Therefore, if you manufacture say 1 million products to sell on the US market, and you wanted another 100k to sell on the Canadian... you will just skip doing the Canadian market altogether, because you have to manufacture these individually and can't include them in the original 1 million batch. Therefore, the Canadian market won't get the product at all.

The more regulation = the worse for the economy. This is a proven fact of history by now.

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The European Union has 24 official languages and has multilingual packaging on most items and you are seriously complaining about 2 languages? You seriously need to get over yourself
In the European Union the package labels are made to be sold in the EU. The market is very large, therefore it does not matter. Producers have the bilungual labels in mind before they start manufacturing. With Canada however, since it's such a small economy, it's not worth all the extra hassle and money to grow your potential market by 10% (Canada is about 10% the size of the US), you'll just sell it in US and skip Canada altogether.
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Old 12-14-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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As another business owner I will confirm what expatCA is saying. When you manufacture goods, you manufacture in big batches. The bigger batches you manufacture, the lower the cost. Therefore, if you manufacture say 1 million products to sell on the US market, and you wanted another 100k to sell on the Canadian... you will just skip doing the Canadian market altogether, because you have to manufacture these individually and can't include them in the original 1 million batch. Therefore, the Canadian market won't get the product at all.

The more regulation = the worse for the economy. This is a proven fact of history by now.



In the European Union the package labels are made to be sold in the EU. The market is very large, therefore it does not matter. Producers have the bilungual labels in mind before they start manufacturing. With Canada however, since it's such a small economy, it's not worth all the extra hassle and money to grow your potential market by 10% (Canada is about 10% the size of the US), you'll just sell it in US and skip Canada altogether.
And yet Canada still gets way more American products than Europe and gets them first. There are not many US products that you can get in Europe but not in Canada.
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Old 12-14-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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As another business owner I will confirm what expatCA is saying. When you manufacture goods, you manufacture in big batches. The bigger batches you manufacture, the lower the cost. Therefore, if you manufacture say 1 million products to sell on the US market, and you wanted another 100k to sell on the Canadian... you will just skip doing the Canadian market altogether, because you have to manufacture these individually and can't include them in the original 1 million batch. Therefore, the Canadian market won't get the product at all.

The more regulation = the worse for the economy. This is a proven fact of history by now.



In the European Union the package labels are made to be sold in the EU. The market is very large, therefore it does not matter. Producers have the bilungual labels in mind before they start manufacturing. With Canada however, since it's such a small economy, it's not worth all the extra hassle and money to grow your potential market by 10% (Canada is about 10% the size of the US), you'll just sell it in US and skip Canada altogether.
Haaar! Both you guys need to go back to google and perform more searches.

Everything, everything you are both putting out on here is conditional upon the type of product, the markets for your product, whether it's a manufactured, intellectually developed or some other propriety product patent protected or even certified by ISO 9000 series of standards. If you aren't negatively affected by the cost of implementing those other standards then you either aren't compliance required or you ain't nobody period. Ergo: Canada will do just fine without your mousetrap or otherwise buy it from virtually ANYWHERE else.

We were talking about the labelling of a product and not the manufacture of same were we not? Now answer me as to what company you know of manufacturing something for both Canada and American markets would not make them generically compliant for both countries agencies of inspection such as CSA, UL, NSF as certified by NRTL's accredited by ANSI, IAS, SCC etc.

If the potential to increase your sales by 10% doesn't speak to your bottom line then you aren't a publicly traded company with your shareholders demanding you make every effort and we're wasting time chatting with you about your cost of extra paper clips and staples.

Stop your pitching grounders to each other so you can easily catch the bunts and maybe we can talk intelligently about how the costs of doing business in the larger markets are egregious to your teeny widget corp.

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Old 12-14-2016, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Acajack is accepting translation contracts from English to French for baffled American business owners!
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Old 12-14-2016, 03:25 PM
 
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The European Union has 24 official languages and has multilingual packaging on most items and you are seriously complaining about 2 languages? You seriously need to get over yourself
You do not understand the problem. I ship to France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece, Finland, Norway and more. NONE require that a label or SDS be in their language if it originates outside the Country. Only Canada requires, to suit the desire of a small group of people, that the law require dual languages. I work with companies all across Canada and include in Quebec and every one speaks English. Yes there may be a few Frebch only speakers, but they have to have dual language for them and could easily convert the data. But, nooo, put the burden on every other Country in the world. Arrogance to say the least.
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Old 12-14-2016, 03:27 PM
 
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This is a tad overly dramatic.


The 19 pages you referred to probably amount to about 8000 words. This can be done in about a week for around a thousand bucks.


Once it's done it's good for many, many years with perhaps only very occasional updates.


It's not a big deal for those who are of good faith.
It is a big deal when you make over 60 products and sooo unnecessary. for a small group of people who may speak no English at all. Tell me why does anyone in Alberta need it in French?
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