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Old 12-21-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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Have you ever been to the US? There's lots of places in every major city and areas in many states where you can get by just fine in your language of choice, and never have to speak English beyond cursory phrases that we'd use to get by in "resort Spanish".

Yep...and I'm pretty sure that even in Canada there are a lot of people that can get by just fine without speaking English in a place like Richmond BC for example...

 
Old 12-21-2016, 11:33 AM
 
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I know of people that actually did become Canadian citizens (passed the test, I do not know how) and do not speak English.....
Lots of them in my area, specifically Russians and Germans.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 11:50 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I know of people that actually did become Canadian citizens (passed the test, I do not know how) and do not speak English.....
IDK about Canada, but in the US it's a really easy test. My Russian relatives way back in the day passed it with very minimal English. Also, the gov't publishes a study guide with all the questions. It's hard to miss. "Who was the first President of the USA"? Duh. I must admit, though; if I had to pass Canada's test, I couldn't do it without studying Canuck history. A lot of people from abroad: Anglophone Africa, for ex., already learn US and Brit history in school, so for them, the American exam is a piece of cake.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Canada also produces some rather good wines itself, truth be told.


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What is frustrating though is inter-provincial boundaries on wine. Here in BC we make some incredible wine, as they do in Ontario, but they don't see much of it in Ontario, and we don't see much Ontario wine here in BC.

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Old 12-21-2016, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Lots of them in my area, specifically Russians and Germans.
Are the Canadian citizens? How did they pass the citizen test without English or French? Do people just learn enough to pass, or are they part of a religious group that doesn't intermix much and were born here?
 
Old 12-21-2016, 03:20 PM
 
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Are the Canadian citizens? How did they pass the citizen test without English or French? Do people just learn enough to pass, or are they part of a religious group that doesn't intermix much and were born here?
Yes Canadian citizens...do not ask me how they pass the test but they do do somehow.....
 
Old 12-21-2016, 05:07 PM
 
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Are the Canadian citizens? How did they pass the citizen test without English or French? Do people just learn enough to pass, or are they part of a religious group that doesn't intermix much and were born here?
Not, they are not part of a religious group. Language rules used to be less strict - I'm not sure they were enforced at all. Manitoba gets to choose its immigrants and since there are so many here already of Russian-German background, and many Canadan-born people never lost their language, it was never much of an issue in southern Manitoba. This article gives some insight into immigration here, as it used to be. If I have time later, I'll see if I can find other articles.Why Canada needs a flood of immigrants - The Globe and Mail

New language rules came into play in 2012 and since then immigration has slowed quite a bit.

ETA: here is an academic paper that goes into more detail about how Manitoba's provincial nominee program differs http://www.academia.edu/2612117/A_De...ominee_Program

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Old 12-21-2016, 05:53 PM
 
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We have access now. Free trade doesn't mean countries have to join.
I'm not opposed to a wine-pipeline. Europe has beer pipelines.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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Have you ever been to the US? There's lots of places in every major city and areas in many states where you can get by just fine in your language of choice, and never have to speak English beyond cursory phrases that we'd use to get by in "resort Spanish".
That's my point. I don't speak Spanish or Cantonese, so at times it's rather difficult to communicate with US residents. I propose that if Spanish speaking people (who manage just fine in the US) join Canada, they should be fluent in English.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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I know of people that actually did become Canadian citizens (passed the test, I do not know how) and do not speak English.....
Memorization, I suppose. Fluency in English is a growing problem in post-secondary institutions. Students pass the TOEFL exams, but try reading what they write, or having a conversation!
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