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Old 12-26-2016, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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NORAD? The North American Aerospace Defense Command? The one controlled by the US and based at USNORTHCOM in Colorado?

How will that protect Canada? If we're being wishful, maybe Santa Claus can help defend Canada too. Maybe that's what you meant by NORAD?

The only thing that keeps Canada independent is that the American people generally have little interest in Canada. Now if Washington wanted to take over the Caribbean, then I think most of the U.S. would be on board. We need more tropical beaches and less dead permafrost if you ask me.

Not annexing Cuba and the Dominican Republic was an absolute travesty.
If the US were to attack Canada, article 5 of NATO could be invoked. Although I admit, the point of article 5 is to defend fellow NATO members. However if the US were to break the NORAD agreement and invade Canada anything might be possible and I don't think the world would just sit back and do nothing.

It is funny though. It is always Americans who talk about invading Canada.

 
Old 12-26-2016, 07:16 PM
 
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I agree. Trudeau should stick to doing what he's good at: taking selfies.

We all know Canada's core identity is defined by being "not American."
Canada and the USA are neighbours who primarily speak English. In Belgium, people speak French, Dutch, Flemish, and English, but sharing a language with other countries does not mean that identity is defined by who they are not. The identify is based on cultural values and customs, laws, and economy.
 
Old 12-26-2016, 07:17 PM
 
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It's similar to the stuff we hear from Trump.
I wouldn't go that far What Trudeau said was in a interview, said once, didn't do any damage or make Canadians angry.

Most of us probably just thought. Nah, don't agree and moved on.
 
Old 12-26-2016, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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If the US were to attack Canada, article 5 of NATO could be invoked. Although I admit, the point of article 5 is to defend fellow NATO members. However if the US were to break the NORAD agreement and invade Canada anything might be possible and I don't think the world would just sit back and do nothing.

It is funny though. It is always Americans who talk about invading Canada.
Of course the world would sit back and do nothing. Except maybe feckless sanctions. Russia gobbled up Crimea and lost little. China's snatching up the South China Sea with little recourse.

Europe is mired in massive internal turmoil from Brexit to the rise of the far right to another banking crisis.

Who is going to come to Canada's aid?
 
Old 12-26-2016, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I agree. Trudeau should stick to doing what he's good at: taking selfies.

We all know Canada's core identity is defined by being "not American."
He is not running around asking for selfies to be taken. It's people stopping him. So he's popular enough, and accessible enough to have that happen. No biggie.

Not being American is only part of it, and not the part that we had a choice in. Just like Austrians are " not Germans " and New Zealanders are " not Australian ", Canadians are not Americans. Not our fault people have trouble identifying us sometimes.
 
Old 12-26-2016, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Of course the world would sit back and do nothing. Except maybe feckless sanctions. Russia gobbled up Crimea and lost little. China's snatching up the South China Sea with little recourse.

Europe is mired in massive internal turmoil from Brexit to the rise of the far right to another banking crisis.

Who is going to come to Canada's aid?
We're very friendly with China LOL
 
Old 12-26-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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We're very friendly with China LOL
And how is China going to defend Canada? They would have to send thousands of ships (which they don't have) full of soldiers through the Northern Pacific Ocean which is controlled by the U.S. Navy and is monitored by hundreds of satellites and radar stations. Those ships would be easy pickings for the U.S. Air Force.

China can do nothing to help Canada because China does not have naval projection capabilities to North America. They're still trying to break out of the First Island Chain.

So again, how is China going to defend Canada?
 
Old 12-27-2016, 12:05 AM
 
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Trump will make America's economy prosper that makes Canada pale so much in comparison. The more conservative provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan will be pissed off by equalization payments which got them ripped off by feeding liberal eastern Canada.

Alberta and Saskatchewan will then have no choice but to embrace Trump's vision and petition to secede and join the United States!
 
Old 12-27-2016, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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We are part of NORAD. We won't be fighting you alone.
No, we're a part of NATO. But I agree, with NATO's backing, we wouldn't be fighting the US alone. (Actually we wouldn't be fighting the US at all, since as a NATO partner, the US could never attack a fellow NATO partner.)

You are correct, Nat, when you say that we are a part of NORAD. That's a two-party defence agreement between the US and Canada, and is designed to counter threats to North America. It is jointly administered, and Canadians and Americans share responsibility at HQ in Colorado, as well at as CFB North Bay (Ontario). There are RCAF officers in Colorado, as there are USAF officers in North Bay.

Once again, our American friends think that they are in charge of North American defence, when in fact, it is a shared responsibility.
 
Old 12-27-2016, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Who is going to come to Canada's aid?
Every signatory to NATO, of course. "An attack on one, is an attack on all," to paraphrase NATO treaty, Article 5.
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