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Old 12-19-2016, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Yeledaf View Post
Quebec would secede.

To the relief of all.
Totally incorrect. The last poll I could find in 2012, has only 16 percent of Canadians outside Quebec, wanting Quebec to go.


"Despite a majority feeling Canada would not suffer without Quebec, only 16 per cent of Canadians in the rest of the country want Quebec to become a separate country. Three-quarters of respondents want Quebec to remain Canadian, compared to 45 per cent of Quebecers who support independence."

Quebec: Canadians Feel Country Would Be Just Fine Without The Province

 
Old 12-19-2016, 12:42 PM
 
Location: British Columbia ♥ 🍁 ♥
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That's a lie!! We are not taught that Canada is socialist or communist at any level of our education.
Really? Explain the quoted post below then. Clearly Mr. Censusdata from USA has been educated somewhere to believe the myth. Explain why so many millions of Americans believe and insist on constantly perpetuating to others their belief that Canada is socialist / communist. I've been reading it and hearing it all my life and that is a very long time. There are hundreds of examples of posts right here on City Data of people making that claim. There are thousands upon thousands of declarations on internet and in the media on the news and on television shows and in movies, all from Americans claiming it. If that kind of perpetuation of a lie is not a form of mass education and brainwashing then I don't know what is. So please explain why so many millions of Americans believe the lie. Is it because they are poorly educated, or are they just stupid, or is it some kind of deliberate political propaganda used to trick other Americans and create suspicion and mistrust of a friend and ally? I suspect it is all three, particularly the latter. Explain it if you can.

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Canada is socialist .... <snip>.......
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Old 12-19-2016, 01:13 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Giving up ones country, for a day at the beach?? It isn't going to happen.
Oh. I though the thread was about expanding one's country, and annexing some beachfront. My bad. And yes, Vancouver Is. is very nice. But I love California's redwoods and crashing surf. However, the traffic congestion is affecting the quality of life, and the water supply is very iffy. So you're right; why take on other another region's problems, just for a day at the beach? Very practical and wise.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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No. We've talked about it before on this forum, but there's this fallacy out there that Americans imagine Canada as a land of American Democrats. ....We stayed out of your last civil war as much as we could manage to and it served us well, we'd probably try to do the same if you had another internal schism.
Yes, the premise of this thread is that Canadians would want to marry up with a bunch of nutters. I don't think so.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Oh. I though the thread was about expanding one's country, and annexing some beachfront. My bad. And yes, Vancouver Is. is very nice. But I love California's redwoods and crashing surf. However, the traffic congestion is affecting the quality of life, and the water supply is very iffy. So you're right; why take on other another region's problems, just for a day at the beach? Very practical and wise.
Ever been to Port of Tofino? Crashing surf, basking sea lions, beautiful mature forest setting you have to go through to get to it AND a nude section.

The giving up of something is, I'm sure, offered in the context of traditional Canadian cultural mores being overwhelmed by sheer volume of numbers.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Originally Posted by Natnasci View Post
People travel from all over the world to spend summers on Vancouver Island and other places in B.C.
It's not summer Canadians like to escape from but winters, which we can already do.


Giving up ones country, for a day at the beach?? It isn't going to happen.
I'd like to know how the average temperature of the water at the Manitoba great lakes beaches in mid summer compares to that of a place like Venice Beach, CA. I betcha it's close!
 
Old 12-19-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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People travel from all over the world to spend summers on Vancouver Island and other places in B.C.
Canadians may travel from all over the country to spend summers in Vancouver Island and B.C....fixed for you....

People from "all over the world" may visit B.C. and usually not as the main objective of the trip...

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Old 12-19-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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Ah - so you're just upset that you're not allowed to threaten life on the planet by continuing to pump massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere with impunity.


That's a pretty narrow, provincial, and selfish attitude to take. And one that doesn't really merit much in the way of discussion.


Alberta's hitched its economic wagon to a commodity that is toxic and has hugely negative externalities for the rest of the world. It should not be the government of Canada's responsibility to coddle that industry at the expense of the rest of humanity.


And, in case you missed it, low oil prices are a worldwide phenomenon - not a curse that the malevolent Trudeau conjured up just for you. You guys have a highly cyclical industry that goes through well-known boom/bust cycles. The rest of the Canadian economy is doing rather well.


Seriously, the nonstop AB oil whining is tiresome. You guys are like the PQ - seeing everything only through the prism of your own narrow self-interest and expecting the rest of Canada to kowtow to your wishes as if the rest of the country didn't exist. At least the PQ has the intellectual honesty, though, to be upfront about the fact that it doesn't care about the rest of Canada.
Hold on there a minute. Canadians could referendum themselves into all committing suicide tomorrow and the net result in the change to greenhouse gases would be zilch, nada, nothing, ZERO! We are a larger carbon sink than we are a greenhouse gas emitter.

http://business.financialpost.com/fp...ng-it-a-secret

You realize we've busily shut down our coal fired generator plants while China is currently building new ones.

China keeps building coal plants despite new overcapacity policy - Energydesk

Aside from everything already pointed out to you as to why Alberta prospering is good for the country as a whole regardless of the reasons, is it your contention we should willingly sacrifice one Provinces entire economy on the alter of a false premise of improving environment while allowing other countries to rape and pillage vis-à-vis emissions?
 
Old 12-19-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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Ever been to Port of Tofino? Crashing surf, basking sea lions, beautiful mature forest setting you have to go through to get to it AND a nude section.

The giving up of something is, I'm sure, offered in the context of traditional Canadian cultural mores being overwhelmed by sheer volume of numbers.

Yes been there after travelling for about 6 hours from Vancouver, including a ferry ride.....very overrated (usually by B.C. residents), way too isolated...beautiful yes (not much different than many easy accessible coastal areas in the Northern US west coast) but still way too cold to swim in summer and often with chilling winds from the ocean....it ain't Southern California, not even slightly....

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Old 12-19-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Yes been there after travelling for about 6 hours from Vancouver, including a ferry ride.....very overrated (usually by B.C. residents), way too isolated...beautiful yes (not much different than many easy accessible coastal area in the Northern US west coast) but still way too cold to swim in summer and often with chilling winds from the ocean....it ain't Southern California, not even slightly....
Hey, good for you. You've just unwittingly described Canada's main attribute as a tourist attraction. It's still predominantly a pristine wilderness destination instead of a theme park for the simple minded.
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