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Old 01-12-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I agree. However until then? Either way, we are going to pay.

My " boeuf " with Botti ( sorry, couldn't help it ) is that he seems to be under the illusion that tipping doesn't exist in France, when we know it does.

Technically that may be true, but I still get his point that the atmosphere and stigma surrounding all of that is totally different. In Canada the freedom to not leave a tip or to leave a tiny tip if the service is totally horrid is only theoretical at best. Almost no one follows through on that "freedom". Ever.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Technically that may be true, but I still get his point that the atmosphere and stigma surrounding all of that is totally different. In Canada the freedom to not leave a tip or to leave a tiny tip if the service is totally horrid is only theoretical at best. Almost no one follows through on that "freedom". Ever.
Yes the attitude is different in France but from a servers point of view, maybe not so great.

I agree that most of us find it uncomfortable not to leave a tip, but it's really rare where I find a tip isn't warranted. It has to be pretty bad, and it has to be the server's fault.

For example an understaffed restaurant where the server or servers are working as hard as they can, but just can't quite do it. I blame the restaurant. So I still give the server a tip, but then tell the manager what I think.
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Old 01-12-2017, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Technically that may be true, but I still get his point that the atmosphere and stigma surrounding all of that is totally different. In Canada the freedom to not leave a tip or to leave a tiny tip if the service is totally horrid is only theoretical at best. Almost no one follows through on that "freedom". Ever.
Where then did that joke come from, that Americans like to tell about Canadians? What is the difference between a Canadian and a canoe? A canoe tips. Canadians being poor tippers seems to be something Americans take note of.

I would say that in my area tipping is probably not consistently good. When I was a teenager, no one tipped around here. I think people reluctantly began to tip as the world became wider and they realised that city people expected tips but I think that generally there are a lot of older people who wouldn't tip.
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Old 01-12-2017, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Yes the attitude is different in France but from a servers point of view, maybe not so great.

I agree that most of us find it uncomfortable not to leave a tip, but it's really rare where I find a tip isn't warranted. It has to be pretty bad, and it has to be the server's fault.

For example an understaffed restaurant where the server or servers are working as hard as they can, but just can't quite do it. I blame the restaurant. So I still give the server a tip, but then tell the manager what I think.
It's very rare for me to single out an employee like a server for poor service. I think that usually in a business if there is a problem, it is a problem with management, maybe even from a head office far removed from the individual who tends to get the blame when things go wrong.
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Old 01-12-2017, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Technically that may be true, but I still get his point that the atmosphere and stigma surrounding all of that is totally different. In Canada the freedom to not leave a tip or to leave a tiny tip if the service is totally horrid is only theoretical at best. Almost no one follows through on that "freedom". Ever.
I do! If the service is poor I don't tip. If the food is poor I ask for a replacement and if its still poor I don't pay for the meal by telling the Manager.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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I do! If the service is poor I don't tip. If the food is poor I ask for a replacement and if its still poor I don't pay for the meal by telling the Manager.
You have likely eaten saliva.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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You have eaten saliva.
You are not winning us over to your side of the argument.
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Old 01-12-2017, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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You have likely eaten saliva.
You've likely swallowed bugs

and on that note, why don't you take the train!
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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Unfortunately there are some horrible people in this world. It's usually best not to put oneself at their mercy if it can be avoided. A few minutes on YouTube will show the perils of such people working behind the scenes at restaurants.

No doubt that I have eaten bugs. We all have, but I don't run through a swarm of gnats with my mouth open.
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