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Old 01-14-2017, 05:27 AM
 
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It will come up here, there is not doubt about that. What we need to worry about is how wide spread will the movement be in both countries.
Yes unfortunately I have to agree.. Its not just stuff happening in the U.S, that wave is occurring in many places across the pond as well.

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How the ball starts rolling ...

You know people are always crying oh ISIS .... those crazy Arabs. Well no one was taking them serviously until it was too late and the crazy went viral so to speak. I dont think we should wait around for the crazy hate stuff to get out of hand and need to be continually pounching on this types of groups as soon as they poke up their ugly heads.
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What i'm surprised (and worried about) is how easily a large group of people can be swayed when the conditions are right. These are people who normally have moderate views about things but when certain factors change and you have a platform that can take advantage of those things and execute a message effectively.... Well... we've seen this all before over and over again.
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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The potential consequences of leaving a vulnerable person somewhere in the dark, in the middle of open fields, miles from any town or building, in sub-zero (often way sub-zero, since we're talking about the Prairies) temperatures, are far greater than any of the other examples you've mentioned.


The fact that you're being so flippant about it tells us that maybe we shouldn't be too surprised that stuff like this still happens.
When did that last happen? I remember hearing about that in Manitoba years and years ago, but didn't know that it is a problem today.
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:31 AM
 
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No one said they were the same groups, callm down. They are both garbage anyway you want to look at it though. They have been marching together pretty often in certain places.
I have never heard of KKK in Canada, having always understood the KKK to be a USA group that targeted blacks a long time ago. Is there any information about an active KKK in Canada?

In reading this thread, it seems that information from decades ago is being presented as something that is happening today.
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Old 01-14-2017, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Canada
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When did that last happen? I remember hearing about that in Manitoba years and years ago, but didn't know that it is a problem today.
Well, I just read this article a couple days ago. The officer in question is a pretty notorious thug who is no longer a police officer because of a well documented history of police brutality.

Former Officer 728, Stéfanie Trudeau, took man on 'starlight tour,' says complainant - Montreal - CBC News

Beyond that, the "starlight tours" in Saskatoon were by many accounts not a couple of isolated incidents, it's just that those were the ones that the police were caught on. It was reportedly a systemic, known phenomenon that had developed it's own nicknames because of how common the action was. It had been going on for decades.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/a...ighttours.html
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Old 01-14-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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Reading this thread, it seems like a few Canadians are naive about their own country. The forces of racism and hate do not stop at borders. They run from Nunavut to Tierra del Fuego, from Svalbard to Capetown, from Norilsk to Ovan. Just because Canada does not monitor race statistics does not mean that Canadian people are colorblind and not aware of cultural differences. Banning people from saying hateful crap does not prevent them from thinking it.

Question: How is it okay to differentiate your friends as Russian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Chinese, etc, while it is almost taboo to discuss their race? Europeans do this too. They look at facial structure and make assumptions about people's backgrounds based on the shape of their eyes or the thickness of their lips and doing so is perfectly acceptable. God forbid you identify somebody by their skin color though (unless among close friends and then the veil gets lifted).
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Old 01-14-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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I get the impression that Canada's hate speech laws are narrow and rarely enforced, but would they still be enough to make it difficult for KKK members to hold a rally? Or at least more difficult than in the US?
I think the public would make it more difficult regardless of hate speech laws. As Lyndarn mentioned in an earlier post there are certain things just do not fly well in Canada and I think the KKK trying to hold a public rally would be one of those things that wouldn't fly well. It's not unknown for the public to take matters into their own hands and intervene if somebody's hateful actions or words offends them enough. Some examples of public intervention that come to mind in recent years:

Not too long ago there were some fellows participated in a social experiment (either in Toronto or Montreal, I don't remember which city it was) and took videos of it, those videos ended up getting reported and shown on the news. One fellow was white, the other fellow was brown skinned and dressed in some kind of middle-eastern Asian type of garb. They staged confrontations between the two of them on different street corners or bus stops in different locations in town while a hidden cameraman filmed each confrontation from across the street. The purpose of the experiment was to determine what passers by on the street would do or say when they observed the confrontations. The brown man would ask for change or directions about something and the white man playing the part of the bigot would round on him with racial or nationalist epithets and name calling, sometimes poking the guy in the shoulder with his finger to make a point while yelling at him to go back to the country he came from, yada yada yada, etc. In each incident at each location passers by intervened on behalf of the brown man and reprimanded the white man. One man who intervened was stopped just in time from cold-clocking the white "antagonist" by the brown man quickly informing him it was a staged experiment and they were on hidden camera.

Then there was the incident at a Canadian university when Anne Coulter came to Canada to give a lecture and she made some kind of bigoted comment about camels to a muslim student in the audience who had asked her a question and Coulter's response nearly started a riot by other students. It was a national incident that made the news all over North America. Anne Coulter was furious at Canada after being taken aside and given a talk to about what was appropriate and had nothing much good to say about Canada after that. LOL.

A few years back there was the incident with that Westboro hate group from Oklahoma when they decided they were going to come to Canada to protest at the funeral of the young Canadian man who had been beheaded by a lunatic on the Greyhound bus. When Westboro's plans were learned it was posted on social media and over 500 Canadian citizens organized to form a human chain to cordone off the funeral and prevent the Westboro protestors from getting anywhere near the funeral. There were threats of stoning and worse if the Westboros came to town and Canada's Minister of Public Safety had to warn the Westboro group that it was inadvisable to come to Canada because he couldn't guarantee their safety against the Canadian public. The Westboro group wisely changed their minds and decided not to come. To the best of my knowledge they have since then been banned from coming to Canada.

Those are just 3 examples that come immediately to mind but I imagine there are more. The point is that if the Canadian public become incensed by what they perceive to be bigotry and hate speech (whether or not it actually falls under the legal definition of hate speech according to Canadian laws) they don't always wait for authorities to step in, they take matters into their own hands.

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Old 01-14-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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Reading this thread, it seems like a few Canadians are naive about their own country. The forces of racism and hate do not stop at borders. They run from Nunavut to Tierra del Fuego, from Svalbard to Capetown, from Norilsk to Ovan. Just because Canada does not monitor race statistics does not mean that Canadian people are colorblind and not aware of cultural differences. Banning people from saying hateful crap does not prevent them from thinking it.

Question: How is it okay to differentiate your friends as Russian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Chinese, etc, while it is almost taboo to discuss their race? Europeans do this too. They look at facial structure and make assumptions about people's backgrounds based on the shape of their eyes or the thickness of their lips and doing so is perfectly acceptable. God forbid you identify somebody by their skin color though (unless among close friends and then the veil gets lifted).
In Canada, Canadians define themselves by their ethnicity and race. Have you ever seen a Canadian census form? Canada does monitor racial and ethnic statistics. It is not taboo in Canada to discuss people's race or ethnicity.

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Old 01-14-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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In Canada, Canadians define themselves by their ethnicity and race. Have you ever seen a Canadian census form? Canada does monitor racial and ethnic statistics. It is not taboo in Canada to discuss people's race or ethnicity.

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Canadians and Europeans both have propensity for tiptoeing around race.
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Old 01-14-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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In the opposite direction, in Latin America you get nicknames based on your color and they are not meant to be insulting.
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Old 01-14-2017, 03:02 PM
 
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Canadians and Europeans both have propensity for tiptoeing around race.
I don't know about what happens in Europe, but it has not been my experience that Canadians tip toe around discussions or descriptions about race. Or ethnicity. What is there to tip toe around about anyway? People are what they are.

Have you ever watched a news alert on Canadian TV when the police are alerting the public to be on the lookout for such and such a criminal, or a missing person, or a person of interest, etc. ? I can't claim to know how these things go down across the whole country but here they will give as explicit as possible a description of the person being reported, that leaves no question about that person's race and ethnicity. Ethnicity/culture, the language they speak, their race and exact shade of skin colour or outstanding skin features (like freckles, moles), colour and length of hair, colour of eyes, their age, weight and height, the clothes they were last seen wearing, identifying tattoos, obvious physical disabilities, their known mental state, and any other recognizable features they can think of that might be relevant to helping to identify and find that person, right down to the shape of their nose and toes and length of eyebrow hairs and bad BO - if necessary.

When Canadians are having a discussion and describing a person to someone else, that is they way they will describe them, and do so without self consciousness.

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