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American dream died at the beginning of this century. And if it moved anywhere else, it has absolutely nothing to do with Trump, no matter how the media desperately wants to make the case.
And Canada doesn't have the appetite for such dreams considering the fact it is still very difficult for a skilled immigrant to find a good job in the country.
Thanks for answering the question. First of all there is nothing wrong with loving your country. Some of us Canadians are derided in these forums for being proud of our country for some reason - but that is another story. The fact you are a veteran I salute your service to your country! I always respect the bravery and courage of soldiers both at home and abroad!
As much as I don't think the media is fair and objective, I still have extraordinary reservations about Trump. I think we all have to be careful about propaganda on both sides! As much as the MSM generally in the U.S will go out of its way to paint Trump and his administration in the worst possible light, I just hope the American people don't move in the opposite direction either and that is to not hold him to account if his policies run counter to what your nation best represents. I'm also really concerned with the things he and his administration say without backing it up with evidence. If I were an American i'd be doing that regardless of which party is in power as I do with my own parties up here.
I'm a liberal (though I have and can vote conservatively depending on the policy platform of the party candidate and how sick I am of corruption on both sides) so we are different politically, but at the same time, I do think Canada should work with the U.S as we always do to for the mutual benefit of our people. I also think there are lessons liberals up here can learn about the manner in which liberals in your country marginalized people as well. We also have extreme wacko leftist groups that would make one feel guilty being alive and breathing albeit defectively
This is a perfect example of pushing people in the opposite direction pretty fast.
Thanks for the kind words but I didn't do much to earn it. I'm just a regular guy who loves his country.
(your country has some elite military forces of you guys were not aware. Look up joint task force 2, they are an ultra elite tier 1 special operations unit. You guys don't have a large military but it is capable. You guys should be proud of that and of what your country stands for) being a proud Canadian should be a good thing. You guys do have a great country and being excited about it is nothing to be ashamed of.
I might not agree with you on all or many political issues but I'm sure we can agree on some. You seem like a very reasonable guy who can definitely engage is a respectful disvussion and sharing of ideas.
Unfortunately what has happened here in America our political discussion has somewhat morphed. It used to be conservative vs liberal (or Republican vs democrat) but recently has shifted to now be socialist/globalist vs nationalist.
The democrat party has completely gone off the deep end. They have moved to the far left fringe with the backing and direction of guys like George Soros. Now you have the violent anarchist and communist types trying To silence all opposing view points. (see the Berkeley, Oakland or San Jose riots).
They have abandoned any centrsist positions and have left behind their loyal "blue collar working class democrats" as they have moved to the fringe left.
The blue collar dems and the angry republicans all United behind trumps pro-America message and have formed a sort of coalition. The Republican party has basically split as well between the traditional RINO/big government and corporate wing of the party and the new trump supporting nationalist side.
Its a really interesting phenomena to watch play out.
There are a lot of proud Americans out there who are thrilled to have a president who feels that too and openly displays his pride.
I have no idea where this ride will end but it will be interesting. Trump is not a racist or a Nazi. He wants to put America's interests first and there is nothing wrong with that.
I'm following the story that Obama was trying to wire tap, spy on and manipulate the trump campaign. If true it will be a shocking scandal. I personally think it's likely to have happened. He did after all wire tap our own allies including Merkel and he did use the IRS To target political opposition groups.
American dream died at the beginning of this century. And if it moved anywhere else, it has absolutely nothing to do with Trump, no matter how the media desperately wants to make the case.
And Canada doesn't have the appetite for such dreams considering the fact it is still very difficult for a skilled immigrant to find a good job in the country.
Well I think the third world and developing countries' citizens put too much stock on this 'dream' anyway. I think for most people in the world, a life in Canada and the U.S would ultimately be better than they have back home and that is why they come. They also need to keep expectations in check. No country is going to be a 'dream' come true for everyone and you may have to retrain when you come here so that your skills are relevant to the employment situation of the time.
Thanks for the kind words but I didn't do much to earn it. I'm just a regular guy who loves his country.
(your country has some elite military forces of you guys were not aware. Look up joint task force 2, they are an ultra elite tier 1 special operations unit. You guys don't have a large military but it is capable. You guys should be proud of that and of what your country stands for) being a proud Canadian should be a good thing. You guys do have a great country and being excited about it is nothing to be ashamed of.
I think I heard of this before. It is well know that Canadian Soldiers are well trained and capable and the Canadian soldier of today has a strong pedigree to look back on. I would personally like our government to spend more on military defense though in keeping with our NATO commitments and I agree with Trumps call for Nato countries to pony up. Anyway cool to hear you as a veteran compliment them. Your words on this matter mean more to me than the typical your military sucks narrative we normally get on here so Thanks
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I might not agree with you on all or many political issues but I'm sure we can agree on some. You seem like a very reasonable guy who can definitely engage is a respectful disvussion and sharing of ideas.
Unfortunately what has happened here in America our political discussion has somewhat morphed. It used to be conservative vs liberal (or Republican vs democrat) but recently has shifted to now be socialist/globalist vs nationalist.
The democrat party has completely gone off the deep end. They have moved to the far left fringe with the backing and direction of guys like George Soros. Now you have the violent anarchist and communist types trying To silence all opposing view points. (see the Berkeley, Oakland or San Jose riots).
They have abandoned any centrsist positions and have left behind their loyal "blue collar working class democrats" as they have moved to the fringe left.
The blue collar dems and the angry republicans all United behind trumps pro-America message and have formed a sort of coalition. The Republican party has basically split as well between the traditional RINO/big government and corporate wing of the party and the new trump supporting nationalist side.
Its a really interesting phenomena to watch play out.
There are a lot of proud Americans out there who are thrilled to have a president who feels that too and openly displays his pride.
I have no idea where this ride will end but it will be interesting. Trump is not a racist or a Nazi. He wants to put America's interests first and there is nothing wrong with that.
I'm following the story that Obama was trying to wire tap, spy on and manipulate the trump campaign. If true it will be a shocking scandal. I personally think it's likely to have happened. He did after all wire tap our own allies including Merkel and he did use the IRS To target political opposition groups.
The changing situation in the U.S has literally taken my breath away. I watched that guy Alex Jones on YouTube for a bit and he's a Trump Supporter but I largely get from him that he is anti-globalist and well, he is just a bit off the deep end with conspiracies. On the other side you have Keith Olbermann who makes Trump seem like the antichrist so i'm not sure getting information from these guys is a great idea. It just seems so one way or the other to the extreme.
I'm hoping we don't go that way up here. Our conservatives and Libs are a bit more central to one another it would seem and I prefer that.
As for the wiretapping - i'm all in on an investigation into that but I think it is not responsible for a President to tweet something like that until there is evidence. I think your intelligence agencies are pretty much saying its a bunch of bologna so not sure its going to be a favourable outcome for Trump and if its not true he shouldn't be let off Scott free. He's the POTUS - like c'mon have some standards. I just find it juvenile that he would rant about it on twitter like that. In my opinion he needs to work on these outbursts. Its hard to take him seriously. Its like the boy who cried wolf. When has credibility gone so down the tubes lol... On the other hand, as an American I would want to know exactly what was going on with the relationship between the GOP and Russia before the election. You deserve to know!
To me, the American Dream is propaganda. The term was created in 1931 to bolster Americans during the depression. It has since morphed into a variety of meanings, that some Americans seem to believe are exceptional to the USA.
I think I heard of this before. It is well know that Canadian Soldiers are well trained and capable and the Canadian soldier of today has a strong pedigree to look back on. I would personally like our government to spend more on military defense though in keeping with our NATO commitments and I agree with Trumps call for Nato countries to pony up. Anyway cool to hear you as a veteran compliment them. Your words on this matter mean more to me than the typical your military sucks narrative we normally get on here so Thanks
The changing situation in the U.S has literally taken my breath away. I watched that guy Alex Jones on YouTube for a bit and he's a Trump Supporter but I largely get from him that he is anti-globalist and well, he is just a bit off the deep end with conspiracies. On the other side you have Keith Olbermann who makes Trump seem like the antichrist so i'm not sure getting information from these guys is a great idea. It just seems so one way or the other to the extreme.
I'm hoping we don't go that way up here. Our conservatives and Libs are a bit more central to one another it would seem and I prefer that.
As for the wiretapping - i'm all in on an investigation into that but I think it is not responsible for a President to tweet something like that until there is evidence. I think your intelligence agencies are pretty much saying its a bunch of bologna so not sure its going to be a favourable outcome for Trump and if its not true he shouldn't be let off Scott free. He's the POTUS - like c'mon have some standards. I just find it juvenile that he would rant about it on twitter like that. In my opinion he needs to work on these outbursts. Its hard to take him seriously. Its like the boy who cried wolf. When has credibility gone so down the tubes lol... On the other hand, as an American I would want to know exactly what was going on with the relationship between the GOP and Russia before the election. You deserve to know!
I agree with the first part.
With respect to Trump's tweet, what I can say is get used to it. Trump as an outsider is not going to be a "normal" president as everyone expects him to be, and he promised just that. What he tweets is irrelevant, and neither the media nor the people should keep obsessed about it - if at all, those tweets helped him to win the election in the first place, so keeping saying he is juvenile and not "presidential" only shows their own limits of not being able to keep up with the world. Trump is not going to be a normal president according to our standard (think about hypocritical Nobel award winning Obama), so stop asking him to be. Hilary Clinton was supposed to be a magazine cover Mrs Perfect president with her big smile and love, but it is exactly what the Americans rejected.
The relationship between Russia and the GOP? LMAO - I mean how is that important? What exactly do we want to know? Assume Russia did influence the US election, so WHAT? Is that intolerable? Seriously? Like America never meddles with other countries' elections, including Russia's? The hypocrisy is that many Americans seem to hold this belief: it is ok for us to do this to others, but if others do it to the US, that constituents some huge injustice. If the US use force and coup to replace government heads of foreign countries for years, why the hell can't Russia influence US election? Why not? Since when do we live in a world where large nations (particularly western ones) don't bully others any more?
Don't forget President OBAMA directly tried to convince the British not to leave the EU last year. How is that appropriate? Isn't that up to the British to decide?
Thanks, McLeans .. you used to be a reputable Canadian mag .. but I have my doubts now. With articles like this you are out to destroy Canada.
While I don't have all the stats at my fingertips right now (nor do I much care because stats can lie any which way you want them to), I do know my upbringing as both a Canadian and American, and that I trust my intuition/knowledge and personal experience - and I can tell you without a doubt that these days Canada's 'freedom of speech' is nowhere near better than America's. I might have agreed years ago that they were actually pretty equal but not now. Liberal influences in both countries are destroying that aspect of so-called quality of life but so far the US still wins that one. So that right there tells me that if I were to check the other stats I would no doubt find that many of them are taken from sources I would not trust or have obvious biases.
And you seem to want to import those who the left in the US now worship from the Statue of Liberty poem ... “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me," stuff to Canada. Thanks again. Canadians are already overburdened tax wise and need to take care of their own first. Not to mention that the people who are 'migrating north' right now are mostly unskilled paupers trudging through the snowy woods to take asylum (which isn't legal but they are being let in it seems) in Canada because they are already in the US illegally. That's going to up our economic standard quickly. I say .. bring Canada the best, the brightest, the most economically stable as has always been done. Immigration is wonderful .. we want it .. we need it .. but it must be done smartly and with full and continuous recognition of Canada's sovereignty and the needs of those who came first. It is great to be compassionate but it is unfair to all, even the 'immigrants' if there really isn't that opportunity for them or anyone else when the country admits all and sundry.
I am not quite sure of the objective with this article .. to shame Americans or scare Canadians .. you may have done both so I will hand it to you for that .. but it is garbage to be honest (in my very polite Canadian opinion).
With respect to Trump's tweet, what I can say is get used to it. Trump as an outsider is not going to be a "normal" president as everyone expects him to be, and he promised just that. What he tweets is irrelevant, and neither the media nor the people should keep obsessed about it - if at all, those tweets helped him to win the election in the first place, so keeping saying he is juvenile and not "presidential" only shows their own limits of not being able to keep up with the world. Trump is not going to be a normal president according to our standard (think about hypocritical Nobel award winning Obama), so stop asking him to be. Hilary Clinton was supposed to be a magazine cover Mrs Perfect president with her big smile and love, but it is exactly what the Americans rejected.
The relationship between Russia and the GOP? LMAO - I mean how is that important? What exactly do we want to know? Assume Russia did influence the US election, so WHAT? Is that intolerable? Seriously? Like America never meddles with other countries' elections, including Russia's? The hypocrisy is that many Americans seem to hold this belief: it is ok for us to do this to others, but if others do it to the US, that constituents some huge injustice. If the US use force and coup to replace government heads of foreign countries for years, why the hell can't Russia influence US election? Why not? Since when do we live in a world where large nations (particularly western ones) don't bully others any more?
Don't forget President OBAMA directly tried to convince the British not to leave the EU last year. How is that appropriate? Isn't that up to the British to decide?
Why is it always about Obama or Clinton? Neither one of them is the U.S President right now are they? Anyone who thinks Trump is being responsible with his Tweets needs a head shake (regardless of whether they agree with his policies or not). As I said before its a total desensitization in terms of expectation about how a responsible leader should behave. You may think its acceptable but I don't and more importantly more Americans than not don't either. If Trudeau was tweeting out in such a manner i'd be freaked out even more so. Imagine Trudeau tweeting out that Harper bugged his phones before providing any proof? Or constantly tweeting about how the host of a reality show is a loser. C'mon. There are common sense things you do and don't do when you are leader of a nation, especially of the 'free world' its time he grew up and acted like one. Does Xi Xinping act like this and if he did would you be cool with that?
You really lost me when you said how does it matter that a foreign country is influencing elections in another- Are you serious?? Its simple - it isn't acceptable either when it is happening to the U.S or if the U.S is doing it to others.
As for Obama trying to influence the Brexit vote -I disagreed with that meddling as well but that is yesterday. Today is today.
Fareed Zakaria interviewed the author of the Maclean's article on CNN last Sunday. He just basically summarized what had written.
I think both Canada and the U.S. have a lot less freedoms than say 20 years ago and a lot of it has to do with the internet and rapidly rapidly advancing technology. Heck, if the Wikileaks dump today is factual, ever your TV may be spying on you.
To me, the American Dream is propaganda. The term was created in 1931 to bolster Americans during the depression. It has since morphed into a variety of meanings, that some Americans seem to believe are exceptional to the USA.
I agree is propaganda and is not that special anyway....what is the American dream for the average Joe?? Owning your own house and having a good job?? Many countries allow their citizens to do that....
However, the US is still the #1 country in opportunities for highly motivated/highly skilled individuals. The depth and width of its economy, its scientific community and engineering R&D is still unparalleled in the world.
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