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Old 04-01-2017, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Canada
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The OP was not clear at all. The lead off sentence was about refugees, and the second sentence was about being overrun with a tidal wave of immigrants. His comment struck me more as a rant than anything else.
Plus, Europe opened its doors wide to both refugees AND economic migrants without bothering to differentiate or vet prior to entry. Canada did not.

An article from January 2016:

Six out of 10 migrants to Europe come for 'economic reasons' and are not refugees, EU Vice President Frans Timmermans says
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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There are those, because of their political beliefs, want those beliefs validated, by hoping that Canada has issues with refugees and immigrants. They go ballistic when an immigrant or refugee goes afoul of the law, but remain silent when a non-muslim white guy shoots up a mosque.

As other have pointed out, Canada has it's fair share of immigrants and refugees. We do OK.
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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There are those, because of their political beliefs, want those beliefs validated, by hoping that Canada has issues with refugees and immigrants. They go ballistic when an immigrant or refugee goes afoul of the law, but remain silent when a non-muslim white guy shoots up a mosque.

As other have pointed out, Canada has it's fair share of immigrants and refugees. We do OK.
Totally agree! The double standard can only be chalked up to those advocating a political agenda. Nobody can actually be that stupid.
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Old 04-01-2017, 01:44 PM
 
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I thought it was obvious - the OP is an American. I actually checked his past posts to confirm that.
Not obvious to me... I don't keep track of other posters' biographies, unless they state it in their OPs.
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Old 04-01-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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Totally agree! The double standard can only be chalked up to those advocating a political agenda. Nobody can actually be that stupid.
Uuuh,.......yes they can fusion, yes they can.
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Old 04-01-2017, 04:03 PM
 
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The US has plenty of illegal immigrants to have other nations BOAST a higher % of ADDITIONAL REFUGEES thay are taking? Means a superior, more mature and COMPASSIONATE understanding by Canada.

The US also does not need to grow its cities by immigration either or its Nation. Then boast their cities growth surpasses US cities,? That they are more compassionate and not hypocritical to fall prey to political agendas and Religious skewed views.

But this is C-D where one nation feels more it's time for a post-immigration period. As to grow economically again. WITH A LESS OPEN ARMS APPROACH of less over larger immigration levels SKEWED BY ILLEGAL NUMBERS and a LIMITS MINDSET TODAY.

With the US seemingly having an un-pluggable illegal aspect? It has become a Nation that feels it has passed being Overwhelmed by a perceived desirability (in the world outside of Europe ) of them to move here? As it feels it has endured enough of what other nations have not.??? But some European Nations have had a taste from refugees lately and want RELIEF THEMSELVES.

Canada still wants to grow the population. Especially to have a city or two be seen a key movers in the world today and far more cosmopolitan the most in the US? Instead of in the shadow of the US.

Canada is still in a growing Canada mode. The US is in a cool-down mode preferred today. Especially till we (could get) some control over the illegal immigration. Canada HAS NOTHING IN COMPARISON.

Neither illegal immigration or being overwhelmed by refugees. Has Canada experienced.

Many Canadians seem to look down and perceive the US as Nation in decline? Racial and economic divisions that have our cities each in degrees of a "Tale of 2-3 cities in One". Divided by Rich, Poor and Racially divisions. Yet do not tie in the radical levels of illegal immigration the US has had to deal with.

Or to pick and chose BY FAR whom they let in through LEGAL IMMIGRTION. BY FAR- the most desirable and skilled ones? Then boast letting in a ADDITIONL larger % of additional refugees then the US? Is showing their compassion over another Nation that has allowed a Political agenda and Religious madness to sway them?

My point is merely the perspectives of each Nation in need to --- > see the right thing to do in the US? Is also skewed in the US by the drastic racial change, that was largely by illegal immigration for decades that seemed uncontrollable. Stome Canadians blame it in the US on political agendas here?

But in the US - it is more universal then not today. To perceive the immigration love affair for a few centuries now - is over and a point of being a economic burden has been reached. So many in the US have voiced ENOUGH. it has URPASSED COMPASSION to a burden reaching to its small towns.

I just say a STOP comparing sooooo much of Canada and its choices and feelings of SUPERIORITY and here REFUGEES TAKEN IN . Today always A US comparing itself too?

Our nations in likeness? Differ in PERCEPTIONS AND VIEWS TODAY that separate us in HOW WE EVOLVE and see it heading? It really is sometimes in walking in the others shoes sometimes? Or open to WHY we can differ, in aspects other then our similar cultures?

To see why a immigration and refugee mindset exist.
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Old 04-01-2017, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Uuuh,.......yes they can fusion, yes they can.
yeah on second thought yer probably right unfortunately!
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Old 04-01-2017, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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The US has plenty of illegal immigrants to have other nations BOAST a higher % of ADDITIONAL REFUGEES thay are taking? Means a superior, more mature and COMPASSIONATE understanding by Canada.

The US also does not need to grow its cities by immigration either or its Nation. Then boast their cities growth surpasses US cities,? That they are more compassionate and not hypocritical to fall prey to political agendas and Religious skewed views.

But this is C-D where one nation feels more it's time for a post-immigration period. As to grow economically again. WITH A LESS OPEN ARMS APPROACH of less over larger immigration levels SKEWED BY ILLEGAL NUMBERS and a LIMITS MINDSET TODAY.

With the US seemingly having an un-pluggable illegal aspect? It has become a Nation that feels it has passed being Overwhelmed by a perceived desirability (in the world outside of Europe ) of them to move here? As it feels it has endured enough of what other nations have not.??? But some European Nations have had a taste from refugees lately and want RELIEF THEMSELVES.

Canada is still in a growing Canada mode. The US is in a cool-down mode preferred today. Especially till we (could get) some control over the illegal immigration. Canada HAS NOTHING IN COMPARISON.

Neither illegal immigration or being overwhelmed by refugees. Has Canada experienced.

Many Canadians seem to look down and perceive the US as Nation in decline? Racial and economic divisions that have our cities each in degrees of a "Tale of 2-3 cities in One". Divided by Rich, Poor and Racially divisions. Yet do not tie in the radical levels of illegal immigration the US has had to deal with.

Or to pick and chose BY FAR whom they let in through LEGAL IMMIGRTION. BY FAR- the most desirable and skilled ones? Then boast letting in a ADDITIONL larger % of additional refugees then the US? Is showing their compassion over another Nation that has allowed a Political agenda and Religious madness to sway them?

My point is merely the perspectives of each Nation in need to --- > see the right thing to do in the US? Is also skewed in the US by the drastic racial change, that was largely by illegal immigration for decades that seemed uncontrollable. Stome Canadians blame it in the US on political agendas here?

But in the US - it is more universal then not today. To perceive the immigration love affair for a few centuries now - is over and a point of being a economic burden has been reached. So many in the US have voiced ENOUGH. it has URPASSED COMPASSION to a burden reaching to its small towns.

I just say a STOP comparing sooooo much of Canada and its choices and feelings of SUPERIORITY and here REFUGEES TAKEN IN . Today always A US comparing itself too?

Our nations in likeness? Differ in PERCEPTIONS AND VIEWS TODAY that separate us in HOW WE EVOLVE and see it heading? It really is sometimes in walking in the others shoes sometimes? Or open to WHY we can differ, in aspects other then our similar cultures?

To see why a immigration and refugee mindset exist.
The OP is an American not a Canadian. I think if you keep that in mind it would explain a lot of the posts in this thread. Nobody in here said the U.S is in decline. The biggest difference between Canada and the U.S that I see is that the political ideology between your two major parties can be a lot more further apart than our parties. This is probably a reflection of the more stark divisions that exists in your nation vs ours. Even during our Conservative government from 2006 to 2015, Canada still maintained a strong immigration policy. Regardless of the party in power up here, you seem to get a more consistent application of Canadian values. I didn't agree with everything about the Harper government (I don't agree with everything about the Trudeau government either), but I never felt the need to protest during the Harper years because he largely governed fairly and in accordance with what the general Canadian populace expected of him.

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Canada still wants to grow the population. Especially to have a city or two be seen a key movers in the world today and far more cosmopolitan the most in the US? Instead of in the shadow of the US.
This is nonsense! Do you really think that Canada has liberal immigration policies because it wants to one up the U.S and to have more world class cities. Our policies are a reflection of our values and a desire to grow the country. It has nothing to do with the U.S. The fact that we have a few world class cities is just a reflection of our growing population and the international connectivity those cities have with other global cities. It has nothing to do with Canada wanting to do a Usain Bolt on the U.S

So is this really about us trying to one up you or is it more your paranoia that that is even an intention. The rational explanation would be more towards the latter...

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Old 04-01-2017, 05:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DavePa View Post
The US has plenty of illegal immigrants to have other nations BOAST a higher % of ADDITIONAL REFUGEES thay are taking? Means a superior, more mature and COMPASSIONATE understanding by Canada.

The US also does not need to grow its cities by immigration either or its Nation. Then boast their cities growth surpasses US cities,? That they are more compassionate and not hypocritical to fall prey to political agendas and Religious skewed views.

But this is C-D where one nation feels more it's time for a post-immigration period. As to grow economically again. WITH A LESS OPEN ARMS APPROACH of less over larger immigration levels SKEWED BY ILLEGAL NUMBERS and a LIMITS MINDSET TODAY.

With the US seemingly having an un-pluggable illegal aspect? It has become a Nation that feels it has passed being Overwhelmed by a perceived desirability (in the world outside of Europe ) of them to move here? As it feels it has endured enough of what other nations have not.??? But some European Nations have had a taste from refugees lately and want RELIEF THEMSELVES.

Canada still wants to grow the population. Especially to have a city or two be seen a key movers in the world today and far more cosmopolitan the most in the US? Instead of in the shadow of the US.

Canada is still in a growing Canada mode. The US is in a cool-down mode preferred today. Especially till we (could get) some control over the illegal immigration. Canada HAS NOTHING IN COMPARISON.

Neither illegal immigration or being overwhelmed by refugees. Has Canada experienced.

Many Canadians seem to look down and perceive the US as Nation in decline? Racial and economic divisions that have our cities each in degrees of a "Tale of 2-3 cities in One". Divided by Rich, Poor and Racially divisions. Yet do not tie in the radical levels of illegal immigration the US has had to deal with.

Or to pick and chose BY FAR whom they let in through LEGAL IMMIGRTION. BY FAR- the most desirable and skilled ones? Then boast letting in a ADDITIONL larger % of additional refugees then the US? Is showing their compassion over another Nation that has allowed a Political agenda and Religious madness to sway them?

My point is merely the perspectives of each Nation in need to --- > see the right thing to do in the US? Is also skewed in the US by the drastic racial change, that was largely by illegal immigration for decades that seemed uncontrollable. Stome Canadians blame it in the US on political agendas here?

But in the US - it is more universal then not today. To perceive the immigration love affair for a few centuries now - is over and a point of being a economic burden has been reached. So many in the US have voiced ENOUGH. it has URPASSED COMPASSION to a burden reaching to its small towns.

I just say a STOP comparing sooooo much of Canada and its choices and feelings of SUPERIORITY and here REFUGEES TAKEN IN . Today always A US comparing itself too?

Our nations in likeness? Differ in PERCEPTIONS AND VIEWS TODAY that separate us in HOW WE EVOLVE and see it heading? It really is sometimes in walking in the others shoes sometimes? Or open to WHY we can differ, in aspects other then our similar cultures?

To see why a immigration and refugee mindset exist.
Once again it would seem that Canadians are being admonished for responding to a thread started by an American with the obvious intent to indicate both "condescension" and "superiority" and WE'RE accused of same.
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Old 04-01-2017, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Once again it would seem that Canadians are being admonished for responding to a thread started by an American with the obvious intent to indicate both "condescension" and "superiority" and WE'RE accused of same.
This guy has lectured us in the Toronto section of this very forum that we want to 'steal' from other cities in order to gain global status.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/47206013-post30.html

Like... HOW else do you respond to this except for
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