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Old 07-21-2019, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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The thing with French in English Canada is more a psychological blockage than anything else. Mostly about not giving in to the "other guy. People learn French and other second languages in tons of places where they are far less "useful".

The idea that many people in Anglo-Canada would eagerly learn and speak Mandarin if only it was offered in lieu of French, is totally laughable.
Itís not laughable. I willingly did it. However itís usefulness approaches zero in Canada outside PQ or Federal Service.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Knob Hill
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My observation - the popularity of french immersion in Calgary is due mainly to white/affluent people trying desperately to get their kid into a school outside of their catchment zone which is now too "diverse".
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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My observation - the popularity of french immersion in Calgary is due mainly to white/affluent people trying desperately to get their kid into a school outside of their catchment zone which is now too "diverse".
French Immersion was beyond capacity in 1982 when I tried to get in. You can keep trying to paint people as racist all you want, but it's really more of a reflection on you.
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:31 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Why isn’t French mandatory from first grade at all public schools in Canada? By teaching it from early age much more Canadians would have spoken French similar to how the Nordics and the Dutch speak English by being taught from early age and grade.

French is a very beautiful language spoken in more than 35 countries, also the official language of Canada and of the United Nations. I’m jealous Canada has Quebec as French speaker and officially bilingual at federal level.

If most French Canadians are bilingual then no reason why English Canadians aren’t. Nothing to lose being bi or multilingual.
It really depends on how it's taught. I had French in school starting in kindergarten through HS. Most people didn't develop fluency by the end. Grade school instruction was about memorizing vocabulary, and playing ring-around-the-rosie types of games, and singing songs in French. In middle school, we memorized film strips and started to tackle grammar. I felt like we were constantly at a barely-above-beginner level, until high school, when the curriculum finally got serious. Also, what results you get from a 12-year language instruction program depends on any given student's knack for language-learning as well. Even in Europe, some kids aren't comfortable or competent in trying to speak English, while others are able to.

I'd like to know what methods they use over there. That could be interesting, for comparison's sake.
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Old 07-22-2019, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Knob Hill
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French Immersion was beyond capacity in 1982 when I tried to get in. You can keep trying to paint people as racist all you want, but it's really more of a reflection on you.
Touched a nerve there I guess !
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Old 07-22-2019, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Quťbec
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My observation - the popularity of french immersion in Calgary is due mainly to white/affluent people trying desperately to get their kid into a school outside of their catchment zone which is now too "diverse".
(Cough)
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Old 07-23-2019, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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My observation - the popularity of french immersion in Calgary is due mainly to white/affluent people trying desperately to get their kid into a school outside of their catchment zone which is now too "diverse".
You hit the nail on the head, ToyYot.

Racism, economics, and plain ignorance all play their parts in the anglo fear of the French language.
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Old 07-23-2019, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Itís not laughable. I willingly did it. However itís usefulness approaches zero in Canada outside PQ or Federal Service.
That is only due to policies that destroyed the French language in the ROC. French was in Manitoba, Ontario, Nova Scotia (Acadia), and Saskatchewan long before English.

Without these policies we would have seen a truly bilingual-mixed society through most of Canada.

Sadly, this along with the First Nations population threatened the aggressive anglo population, and was dealt with summarily.
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Old Yesterday, 02:17 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Why isnít French mandatory from first grade at all public schools in Canada? By teaching it from early age much more Canadians would have spoken French similar to how the Nordics and the Dutch speak English by being taught from early age and grade.

French is a very beautiful language spoken in more than 35 countries, also the official language of Canada and of the United Nations. Iím jealous Canada has Quebec as French speaker and officially bilingual at federal level.

If most French Canadians are bilingual then no reason why English Canadians arenít. Nothing to lose being bi or multilingual.
Very simple; the only reasonably successful French-speaking countries are France, Belgium (partially), Canada (partially) and, in the sense of tourism St. Marten (partially), Martinique and Guadeloupe. The other countries are disasters.
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Old Yesterday, 10:23 PM
 
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You hit the nail on the head, ToyYot.

Racism, economics, and plain ignorance all play their parts in the anglo fear of the French language.
Bwahahaha! You have innocently or deliberately misunderstood what ToyTot stated.
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