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Old 08-12-2019, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Those numbers are propped up by Africa where for most it is not the language spoken at home or else in a pidgin form.

Like saying India is an English speaking country.
There isn't really anything pidgin about most of the varieties of French spoken in Africa, surprisingly enough.

It's not like it is in a place like Haiti, where the French-derived speech is actually considered a language and not a dialect.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The idea that French is useless (for Canadians and anyone else I suppose) is a powerful Canadian meme that has taken on a life of its own.

So much so that some Canadians believe it's a truism and something they feel comfortable throwing out there in front of the "international" company. I've seen Canadians get laughed out of the room for saying this with a straight face in front of a number of nationalities, including even some of the worst second language people in the world like Australians. (They suck at languages but at least they're honest about it. )

The only people who generally agree are people like those Americans and Brits who think Jesus Christ spoke English with a British accent.
PBouchard made has the point for me - if one's idea of international is American sitcoms and driving across our southern border, which is most Canadians' idea, what good does French do them? Until French does your average Joe some actual good, they're not going to learn or retain it. It's exactly like jonsereed said - a frivolous hobby.

I'm all in favour of people learning as many languages as possible but even I can see French is never going to happen in western Canada. You have to make it practical for an average life.

You can't make mention of the UN because from the point of view of the average person, they already speak one international language.

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French is the second most studied language in the world after English, one of six languages of the U.N, a top ten language with the most native speakers, an official language of 29 countries, and spoken on several continents.

Of course, it's easy to dismiss French when your idea of "international" is watching an American sitcom, or taking a drive to Bellingham to buy gas and groceries.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Despite the primacy of French in Quebec, why do some Francophones attendEnglish-language CEGEPs or universities?
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:20 PM
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Location: Canada
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PBouchard made has the point for me - if one's idea of international is American sitcoms and driving across our southern border, which is most Canadians' idea, what good does French do them? Until French does your average Joe some actual good, they're not going to learn or retain it. It's exactly like jonsereed said - a frivolous hobby.

I'm all in favour of people learning as many languages as possible but even I can see French is never going to happen in western Canada. You have to make it practical for an average life.

You can't make mention of the UN because from the point of view of the average person, they already speak one international language.
French speakers were among the earlier settlers in the region and there are still many French speaking communities in Western Canada. It is an official language and an important part of our culture and heritage.

It is rather sad the people on here that defend multiculturalism tooth and nail have such little regard for French in our country.
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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French speakers were among the earlier settlers in the region and there are still many French speaking communities in Western Canada. It is an official language and an important part of our culture and heritage.

It is rather sad the people on here that defend multiculturalism tooth and nail have such little regard for French in our country.
Add to that the fact that French was once much more present on the Canadian Prairies but it was actively suppressed to the point of, yes, becoming fairly irrelevant or at least a shadow of its former self.


Around the time of Confederation half (or at least very close to half) of the population of Manitoba was francophone.
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Despite the primacy of French in Quebec, why do some Francophones attendEnglish-language CEGEPs or universities?
Because maybe we are not as blinkered as some people say we are?
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Old Yesterday, 03:33 AM
 
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Add to that the fact that French was once much more present on the Canadian Prairies but it was actively suppressed to the point of, yes, becoming fairly irrelevant or at least a shadow of its former self.
Around the time of Confederation half (or at least very close to half) of the population of Manitoba was francophone.
You keep harping on about this supposed suppression of the French when in reality you just got out populated by a smarter culture, as you were being suppressed did it never occur to any of the French to fight back? because it seems you just meekly accepted your fate and lost half the American continent as a result and now hundreds of years later you are left with a giant chip on your shoulder toward those dastardly Anglos?
Speaking of suppression isnt that what todays Quebec is doing to not only the Anglos but any visible minority or religious group?
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Old Yesterday, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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You keep harping on about this supposed suppression of the French when in reality you just got out populated by a smarter culture, as you were being suppressed did it never occur to any of the French to fight back? because it seems you just meekly accepted your fate and lost half the American continent as a result and now hundreds of years later you are left with a giant chip on your shoulder toward those dastardly Anglos?
Speaking of suppression isnt that what todays Quebec is doing to not only the Anglos but any visible minority or religious group?
More historical knowledge needed please!


In the case of francophones outside Quebec their provinces took over schools that had been set up by francophones to teach in French, and forced them to teach little francophone kids in English only. In some cases teachers could be thrown in jail if they spoke to kids in French.


They also took over and switched other francophone-built institutions and forced them to use English as well: hospitals, colleges, etc.


Among other things.


Not sure you would have liked that had Quebec done this to the anglo miniority.
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Old Yesterday, 06:42 AM
 
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More historical knowledge needed please!


In the case of francophones outside Quebec their provinces took over schools that had been set up by francophones to teach in French, and forced them to teach little francophone kids in English only. In some cases teachers could be thrown in jail if they spoke to kids in French.


They also took over and switched other francophone-built institutions and forced them to use English as well: hospitals, colleges, etc.


Among other things.


Not sure you would have liked that had Quebec done this to the anglo miniority.
And you guys just said ok to this percieved suppresion?. As for suppression try being a unilingual Anglo in Quebec today,good luck getting a job eh.
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Old Yesterday, 06:52 AM
 
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And you guys just said ok to this percieved suppresion?. .
You asked for examples of what type of suppression took place, and I gave you some.


People fought back with the means that they could fight back with. That's why there are still at least some people who still speak French on the Prairies, in Ontario and Atlantic Canada. Which in the latter case includes numerous members of my extended family.
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