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Old 07-29-2019, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Montréal without the Québécois francophone character and dimension is basically a colder Cleveland. Without the rock and roll hall of fame.

Food for thought for those who claim to love the city and its uniqueness.
Have you been to Cleveland?
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Then why change it?
Because we can get so much out of Canada for Quebec.

Frankly, independence, or at least a strong devolution is the course of things, but I am one who prefers to build up Quebec while we are part of the Canadian union.

It is anglo Canada who changed things, by breaking the social contract which made "French Canada" an equal partner, and making us one province out of ten, despite the fact that we started Canada to begin with and originally were 99% of the population.

The arrangement we currently have, the arrangement where Quebec gradually gains more autonomy within the bound of a Canadian union, are a more than fair compromise that placates the anglo Canadians while catering to the majority of Quebec's citizens. Citizens who feel Quebecois first and Canadian second - if Canadian at all.

Look at a country like Switzerland. All ethnic groups co-exist in a devolved union. It's a pretty good deal, and exactly what so many in Quebec hope to achieve.
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Have you been to Cleveland?
It was a metaphor, but yes I have been there.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Montréal without the Québécois francophone character and dimension is basically a colder Cleveland. Without the rock and roll hall of fame.

Food for thought for those who claim to love the city and its uniqueness.
Why not a colder New York City? NYC’s ethnic mix more closely resembles that of Montreal than Cleveland historically did (large number of people of Central/East European ancestry).
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Old 07-30-2019, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Canada
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It is anglo Canada who changed things, by breaking the social contract which made "French Canada" an equal partner, and making us one province out of ten, despite the fact that we started Canada to begin with and originally were 99% of the population.
It is interesting how quickly that everybody seems to have forgot this.
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Old 07-30-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: British Columbia ☀️ ♥ 🍁 ♥ ☀️
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....... we started Canada to begin with and originally were 99% of the population.

Nonsense. The indigenous people started Canada and were originally 99% of the population, not the French, and their contract was far more important.

It is interesting how convenient it is that so many of you seem to have forgotten that. Y'all need to get real and get over yourselves, quit the whining, sniveling and finger pointing. It just seems so foolish and diminishing.

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Old 07-30-2019, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Nonsense. The indigenous people started Canada and were originally 99% of the population, not the French, and their contract was far more important.

It is interesting how convenient it is that so many of you seem to have forgotten that. Y'all need to get real and get over yourselves, quit the whining, sniveling and finger pointing. It just seems so foolish and diminishing.

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No, they didn't start "Canada". The Ojibwe identified as Ojibwe, the Haida identified as Haida. Why would you take that away from them?

If someone said "Canadian" to them in 1700, it meant a French speaking person in the east.

There was no jurisdiction called Canada under the First Nations, none of them identified as Canadians, all of the entire concept of Canada came from the French colonists who were in Quebec and Acadia.

Then you guys won a war in 1763, and took over Canada, and colonized us with the intent of replacing us, but we were never able to be removed from modern Quebec.

All while treating the First Nations people like dirt and breaking every contract you ever had with them.

It's really sad that you need to rewrite Canadian history, just because of politics. You not only hurt Canada (and the education system), but you do yourself and all others a disservice by creating a fictionalized history that fits your own politics.

It's even more outrageous to be an apologist for the First Nations only when it benefits you and protects you, or when you get to paint someone else as a racist. Other than that, you couldn't care less.
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Nonsense. The indigenous people started Canada and were originally 99% of the population, not the French, and their contract was far more important.

It is interesting how convenient it is that so many of you seem to have forgotten that. Y'all need to get real and get over yourselves, quit the whining, sniveling and finger pointing. It just seems so foolish and diminishing.

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Uh no they didn't. The Huronie were part of the Huronie nation until they were annexed to Canada. The first nations on land that would later become Canada, that is completely different from starting it.

English/French peoples didn't move to Canada and integrate into Huronie society....first nations weren't even citizens until 1960....
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:08 PM
 
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Nonsense. The indigenous people started Canada and were originally 99% of the population, not the French, and their contract was far more important.

It is interesting how convenient it is that so many of you seem to have forgotten that. Y'all need to get real and get over yourselves, quit the whining, sniveling and finger pointing. It just seems so foolish and diminishing.

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Why, one would almost think some of them suffer from the massive inferiority complex they, and only they, so often characterize of others. .
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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What do we think of the CAQ? easy! a racist, backward, anti-Montreal, anti-anything not French and catering to uneducated hillbillies in rural Quebec areas. Rather than focusing on real issues, they focus on cutting immigration (which will hamper the economy) religious symbols (an unimportant issue) and a French values test (discriminatory). It's clear what vision they have for Quebec and it's not a good one. The only reason why Quebec is doing great at the moment is due to the policies passed by the Liberal party under Couillard. Meanwhile, all Quebec does is suck resources out of Canada because "Quebec is special". I'm from here and let's be honest, outside of the French language, there's nothing unique or different about Quebec (maybe the corruption is unique?). I mainly feel bad about Montreal, such an amazing city being held back by an incompetent and backward province, hopefully, this changes soon.
What’s the difference between Quebec’s “uneducated hillbillies” and those in the South?
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