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View Poll Results: Should Canada keep the British monarchy
Yes, Canada should keep the monarchy 17 41.46%
No, Canada does not need a monarch 24 58.54%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-11-2019, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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When Queen Elizabeth passes away, I would like to see Canada have a directly elected Governor General but keep the current Westminster style of government mostly in tact.
That sounds like a great idea in theory, but in practice we would then have a president with a direct mandate, who could undermine the government in power. Typically parliamentary republics elect a president by parliamentary vote of some kind. Much better to do it that way. And as stated earlier the candidates would have to be outside government and have no political affiliation, just as it is with the Governor general.

Really, after all provinces agree to dump the monarchy (which will not happen for several decades to come), what we're talking about is a head of state voted on by parliament instead of a proxy "hired" by the PM (Oh..."on the advice of the Queen"...almost forgot that)

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Old 08-11-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, all men have Creator endowed rights that [American] governments are instituted to secure - not rule. Anything beyond that requires consent of the governed.

Americans are the social equals of all other monarchs on this planet. That's why Americans don't bow nor kneel to them... or shouldn't.

Of course those who consent to be governed ("citizens") surrender their endowment and become subjects of their sovereign government, reversing roles.[indent] "... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "SUBJECT" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)


Canadians are subjects of a monarch, and cannot choose whether or not to be subjects. It's up to the monarch to surrender dominion.

As to the confusion over America's government, again, the servant has little to do with the master (sovereign people) other than secure rights (adjudicate disputes, prosecute criminals, defend against all enemies, foreign or domestic). All other aspects come under "consent" and he who consents cannot object. Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

In America, the government is not the sovereign, but the agent for the sovereign people... (which does not include the subject citizenry who are governed by it).
All fine sentiments I'm sure, but where the rubber hits the road as it applies to the freedoms actually held by citizens, it's proven to be just more word salad.

https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...world-2019/map

The above link is the best you do as compared with others and the rest are not as palatable:

https://www.businessinsider.com/coun...e-world-2018-4

Oh my, not even in the top 25. maybe you've been "subjecting" yourselves to a false impression; pun intended.

"All men are created equal" written by men who owned slaves and the premiere of whom kept a concubine locked up in his basement for his sexual pleasure fathering children by her.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...-found-n771261

And what year was this again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine
1957 …… fully 270 years AFTER your "sovereign citizen, all men are created equal" was committed to parchment.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:05 PM
 
Location: British Columbia ☀️ ♥ 🍁 ♥ ☀️
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LOL - there is no such thing as a sovereign citizen. It is an oxymoron.
If a "free citizen" can be compelled to do mandatory civic duties, he's a subject, whether of a monarch, an oligarchy, a police state, or whatever. Ditto, if he needs a license (permission) or pay taxes to work, travel, buy, sell, hire, operate a business, marry and or own a dog.

A sovereign is not a citizen.

SOVEREIGN - A person, body or state in which independent and supreme authority is vested...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1395.

P.S. - in the movie, "Fly Away Home," the Canadian game warden told the children that the geese were the QUEEN'S GEESE. I guess some people still claim authority and ownership over Canada and its chattels.

Gosh darn it all, I had forgotten about your posts and it had completely skipped my mind that you're one of those Free Men of the Land individuals that are scattered about USA, Canada and the UK. Now I understand better where your claims and denials are coming from.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:05 PM
 
Location: In transition
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That sounds like a great idea in theory, but in practice we would then have a president with a direct mandate, who could undermine the government in power. Typically parliamentary republics elect a president by parliamentary vote of some kind. Much better to do it that way. And as stated earlier the candidates would have to be outside government and have no political affiliation, just as it is with the Governor general.

Really, after all provinces agree to dump the monarchy (which will not happen for several decades to come), what we're talking about is a head of state voted on by parliament instead of a proxy "hired" by the PM (Oh..."on the advice of the Queen"...almost forgot that)
Yes, ideally the directly elected GG would be politically neutral and have no affiliation with any party. During election time, a series of candidates would present themselves for the position and it would be up to Canadians to vote on who they want as their GG. Who ever gets the most votes wins. The role of the directly elected GG would be the same as now and would not have a direct role in the running of the government and be largely ceremonial.
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Old Yesterday, 10:38 AM
 
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He gets voted out or term limited. The Queen and her inbred children have jobs for life.

And she does nothing to stop Rob Ford or other dysfunctional disasters from taking office in Canada.
I guess you've not taken notice that when a country is ready to remove all reference to Royal influence they simply vote to do so and it gets done. Any number of countries have done so through democratic referendum without a shot being fired.

When Canada decides to remove whatever ceremonial and traditional aspects the Royal family still maintains with Canada's permission, Canadians will vote and make that decision.

All the blather about "sovereign citizens" is just that; nothing more than blather coming from a nation's citizens now in the throes of losing it's freedoms and rights faster than a downhill skier going for the gold.

AND: to the poster who surmised ditching the Queen would mean automatic annexation or assimilation by the U.S.A. … you could not have stated a better case for maintaining the Royal relationship Canada currently enjoys had you purposely set out to do so.
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Old Yesterday, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Saint-Aimé-des-Lacs, Québec
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No, I have no need for a foreign overlord. Thanks but no thanks.
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Old Yesterday, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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No, I have no need for a foreign overlord. Thanks but no thanks.
But....remember the queen is Canadian!

(sarcasm)
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Old Yesterday, 07:58 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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No, I have no need for a foreign overlord. Thanks but no thanks.
Until there is such a need, as in Watergate.
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Old Yesterday, 08:18 PM
 
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Until there is such a need, as in Watergate.
Or another Duplessis.

https://historyofrights.ca/encyclopa...ice-duplessis/

"Duplessis was responsible for some of the most infamous examples of state abuse of civil liberties in Canada’s history. His actions generated intense criticism and contributed to the creation of the first civil liberties groups in the country."
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Old Today, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Québec
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Or another Duplessis.

https://historyofrights.ca/encyclopa...ice-duplessis/

"Duplessis was responsible for some of the most infamous examples of state abuse of civil liberties in Canada’s history. His actions generated intense criticism and contributed to the creation of the first civil liberties groups in the country."
Then Duplessis proves that a monarchy is pointless. Even back then when the monarchy had so much power they did nothing to stop him. Back then Canada was just an English colony too.
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