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Old 10-12-2019, 05:33 PM
 
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The separatism movement has been a topic for years in Canada and in 1995, Québec always become one. Since the Bloc Québécois gains a lot of popularity during the federal election, would you want to see a country of Québec ?
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Old 10-12-2019, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Québec
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Yes certainly we need an independent Quebec. We were forced by war to be in Canada. We have different culture as much as English vs. French in Europe. We already operate like a mini country. Those are a few of many examples.
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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I support complete unfettered independence for Quebec.


No funding from ROC, no dual currency usage, no party to trade agreements, no national defense funding, no infrastructure support and no assistance in settlements with indigenous populations.


You want to be on your own. Done.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I support complete unfettered independence for Quebec.


No funding from ROC, no dual currency usage, no party to trade agreements, no national defense funding, no infrastructure support and no assistance in settlements with indigenous populations.


You want to be on your own. Done.
You are entitled to your views, but in terms of currency usage if you're willing to peg your economic fortunes to the currency of another country, you can use any currency you want for your new country.


As for trade my money is on Ontario (which would be half of Canada's population without Quebec in the family) would impose some type of free trade deal with Quebec whether the other remaining provinces liked it or not. About one quarter of everything that Ontario moves within its domestic market goes to Quebec. Not sure they'd want to lose that.


As for the rest none of it has ever been asked for by Quebec separatists.
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Old 10-15-2019, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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You are entitled to your views, but in terms of currency usage if you're willing to peg your economic fortunes to the currency of another country, you can use any currency you want for your new country.


As for trade my money is on Ontario (which would be half of Canada's population without Quebec in the family) would impose some type of free trade deal with Quebec whether the other remaining provinces liked it or not. About one quarter of everything that Ontario moves within its domestic market goes to Quebec. Not sure they'd want to lose that.


As for the rest none of it has ever been asked for by Quebec separatists.
I'm more than happy to discuss new agreements. If New Quebec wants to use the $CAD, good. No different than many third world countries use the $USD by default.


What I meant is that NQ should not be party to NAFTA 2.0, or any other international agreements that Canada has in place.


While none of the other items have been asked for by separatists, guaranteed, the First Nations have been thinking about it. How many billions will it take for them to not keep those Hydro projects in their/Canadian hands?


Independent Quebec will be like the ultimate teenager. Knows the answers to everything until they have to do it on their own, and then Mom's house looks pretty nice. Regardless, I fully support Quebec's right to leave the Dominion.
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Old 10-15-2019, 04:48 PM
 
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What I meant is that NQ should not be party to NAFTA 2.0, or any other international agreements that Canada has in place.
That's perfectly normal. Everyone agrees, for example, that a "new" Catalonia or Scotland wouldn't be born an EU member, for example. (Talking before Brexit, in the case of Scotland).

In all those cases (including obviously Quebec), the new country is eventually going to (re-)join with 99.99% certainty, it's just that it's a process to follow; it isn't automatic.
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Old 10-15-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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BTW, how come there are so many threads on here about Quebec independence?!? It's absolutely un-natural. It gives me the distinct feeling that at least part of the participants are paid Russian trolls... as you wouldn't see the subject being anywhere near that prominent in discussions among Québécois between ourselves nowadays. However, from the point of view of anyone who's tasked with trying to create more chaos in Western countries, it must look like a great topic to bring up all the time.
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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BTW, how come there are so many threads on here about Quebec independence?!? It's absolutely un-natural. It gives me the distinct feeling that at least part of the participants are paid Russian trolls... as you wouldn't see the subject being anywhere near that prominent in discussions among Québécois between ourselves nowadays. However, from the point of view of anyone who's tasked with trying to create more chaos in Western countries, it must look like a great topic to bring up all the time.
Absolutely. However unlike US partisan warfare, the Quebec debate is a million shades of grey, of which even the most extreme views have common ground with their opposite number, and generally Canadians are pretty reasonable and tend to listen before jumping in. As a result, it's not nearly as effective as they would hope.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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BTW, how come there are so many threads on here about Quebec independence?!? It's absolutely un-natural. It gives me the distinct feeling that at least part of the participants are paid Russian trolls... as you wouldn't see the subject being anywhere near that prominent in discussions among Québécois between ourselves nowadays. However, from the point of view of anyone who's tasked with trying to create more chaos in Western countries, it must look like a great topic to bring up all the time.
Absolutely; along with those Quebecers of marginal age experience. They are all imbued with no other purpose than a desire to be outrageously controversial in their offerings.

It would be my belief the majority of Canadians would be respectful of Quebec's "right" to leave confederation but woefully saddened by their desire to do so actually manifesting to a happenstance.

If granting Quebec more autonomy along the lines of it's present secularism-based legislation being deemed acceptable to all, it would of necessity realize itself in all provinces being able to enact similarly controversial legislation. Where then would Ottawa's ability to, for one example, push through legislation regarding resource extraction/movement etc. have any foundation if any one Province could effectively extend the middle finger ?

Not that Trudeau and his pandering to entities aplenty have shown us Ottawa's ability to lead from the front in any of these many political minefields, but I cannot help but wonder at our ability to have a leader say all sorts of things but at the end of the day:

/Take over twenty years to get our servicemen and women the necessary tools to allow them to perform their assigned roles in an effective and SAFE for them manner.
/Enshrine our basic 'taken for granted' benefits such as CPP and single payer healthcare in stone so as to prevent constant fiddling with the transfer payments and using the funds for things other than taxation stated reasons.
/Perform the rather basic function of achieving consensus among the committee elected to govern (premieres) as any chairman of every other committee of constituent elected rep's has had to contend with for the negotiation of anything from Union contracts to real estate deals.
/Trudeau has placed great emphasis upon reminding us all of his supposed interpretation of what it is to be a "Canadian" without once asking Canadians if they're satisfied with merely being reminded without being consulted as to our perceptions of "Canadianess" perhaps having changed due to the changing world dynamics demanding adaptations ……… or not.
/Place a higher regard upon the cheap thrill and temporary currency of optics without regard to the most basic of respect for the office he occupies.

I'm going on record as stating that were Quebec to actually realize a separation; never mind it actually manifesting itself in a "what the heck have we done" moment of regret in Quebec, Canada would in my humble opinion, cease to be "Canada" at that very juncture.

If, for no other reason than the perceived increase in bargaining power, such an event for various and obvious reasons, would also trigger a serious consideration of the same nature in virtually ALL of the other Provinces.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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If granting Quebec more autonomy along the lines of it's present secularism-based legislation being deemed acceptable to all, it would of necessity realize itself in all provinces being able to enact similarly controversial legislation. Where then would Ottawa's ability to, for one example, push through legislation regarding resource extraction/movement etc. have any foundation if any one Province could effectively extend the middle finger ?

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This is a question that Canada has been asking itself for decades, but we've arguably only reached the point of invoking provincial autonomy on resource projects because we have failed at putting the issue to bed.


If you look at Quebec's "five basic demands" roughly captured in the Meech Lake accord, would any of the other provinces have been interested in most of that?


You could probably satisfy most Quebecers with something quite a bit less than those five things if you limited it to linguistic and cultural matters. How many of the other provinces are interested in managing these things themselves? Most of them don't even a provincial ministry of culture or anything resembling a language policy.
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