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Old 08-16-2020, 02:56 PM
 
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I think there should be free travel between all provinces before we open up to the rest of the world.
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Old 08-16-2020, 03:56 PM
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Thanks for the honest comments.

It looks like I won't have to worry about all the Canadians heading south this winter!! I still have fond memories of all the Canadian RV's heading home this March in central Nevada. Long lines of RV's all heading north before the border closed.

The 10% number actually came from the Canadian government.

It is several years old. I don't know if I could find the source.
Seniors, over 65 account for about 20% of the Canadian population. Given early retirement for lots of folks....I don't think the 10% number is out of line. In the US, seniors are the most financially well-off of all age groups. I suspect Canada is in the same situation.

Last years, May fishing trip to BC was cancelled. Looks like it might be touch and go for next year as well.

Again, thanks for the information.
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Old 08-16-2020, 04:24 PM
 
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Thanks for the honest comments.

It looks like I won't have to worry about all the Canadians heading south this winter!! I still have fond memories of all the Canadian RV's heading home this March in central Nevada. Long lines of RV's all heading north before the border closed.

The 10% number actually came from the Canadian government.

It is several years old. I don't know if I could find the source.
Seniors, over 65 account for about 20% of the Canadian population. Given early retirement for lots of folks....I don't think the 10% number is out of line. In the US, seniors are the most financially well-off of all age groups. I suspect Canada is in the same situation.

Last years, May fishing trip to BC was cancelled. Looks like it might be touch and go for next year as well.

Again, thanks for the information.
Geez louise - if they figured 10% of the Can. pop. were heading into just the U.S. south during winter months; what about all those Canadians who snowbird in other countries?

Gads, the poor guy who drew the short straw and had to stay home to keep the furnace running better not retire!
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Old 08-16-2020, 04:51 PM
 
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It's only 1% of the Canadian population that are snowbirds.

The present total population of Canada is 37,742,154 people. The number of Canadian snowbirds may vary from year to year but it is in the range of 300,000 on the low end to 375,000 on the high end.

So, going on the high end of the range, 375,000 snowbirds is 0.9935839909932% of Canada's total population of 37,742,154.

So let's just round up and say 1% of Canadians are snowbirds. Going anywhere for winter, not just to USA.

The age of snowbirds is irrelevant because not all of them are seniors, many of them are younger people who can work from anywhere online, often many are young couples with young families under school age.

Canada's percentage of seniors hasn't reached 20% yet (it's around 17.5%) but it's getting up there and Statistics Canada's “medium growth scenario” estimates that Canada's seniors could account for 22.7% of the population by 2031.

Approximately 80,000 of Canada's snowbirds are members of the Canadian Snowbird Association. I guess if anyone wanted to know what snowbirds are saying about the border closure then there might be some information to be found about that in their CSA newsletters. I don't know if they have a discussion section but here is CSA's home page: https://www.snowbirds.org/

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Old 08-16-2020, 05:12 PM
 
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A bit of humour to lighten the tone:

CERABINO - Palm Beach Post
Time for Floridians to become sunbirds and migrate north

Dear Canadian snowbirds: We need to talk. As an unofficial South Florida ambassador, I would like to begin negotiations for a reverse migration this winter. For decades now, we here in South Florida have opened our hands in friendship (and in your pockets) to welcome you for an extended respite from cold Canadian winters.

Every November, we have come to expect the sight of your packed vehicles, caked with a white layer of road salt, making their way south on I-95.

We have graciously accommodated this migration. OK, well maybe semi-graciously. The point is, we weren’t successful at running you off.

We have watched you loll on our shoreline like pale beached whales, get your fill at our all-you-can-eat buffets, and shower us with your gentle good nature, so gentle that it somehow becomes irritating.

Nevertheless, we’ve been good hosts on the whole — not counting the road rage, concealed handguns, widespread unchecked mental illness, and general lack of French speakers and poutine.

But alas, the paradigm has shifted. And now it is your turn to host us.

I know what you’re thinking. Why would anybody want to leave sunny South Florida in the winter and go to Canada?

Well, the short answer is: We’re desperate.

Nobody wants us anymore. And we really need to leave.

We’ve bungled the response to COVID-19 so badly that nearly all the world won’t allow American tourists to come there. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mexico takes over building the wall.

Sure, we could still go to Rwanda, Belarus and Haiti, but all the places we like to go are off limits now.

We’re being treated like infected pariahs. No American tourists allowed.

And I can’t blame these other countries. The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population but

a quarter of the world’s COVID-19 cases.

Some say that’s because we’re doing a lot of testing, and all that testing results in more cases. But that doesn’t explain why we also have more than 22 percent of the world’s COVID19 deaths — the most deaths in the world. Or that in the 23 countries most affected by coronavirus, our deathsper- 100,000-population number here in the United States is the fourth highest in the world (behind the United Kingdom, Peru and Chile), according to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.

We’re supposed to be the gold standard in care.

If only we could be more like you, Canada, with your healthcare- for-all and your COVID-19 death rateper- 100,000-people about half of ours.

It’s no wonder that you’ve joined other nations in the world to keep American tourists from entering your country for now.

But what’s going to happen in November? You’re probably not going to want to make your annual Florida trek, barring some miracle.

And by a miracle, I mean our leaders switching their focus from saving the college football season to saving school teachers’ and students’ lives by making instant-results COVID19 tests available to all schools.

Not likely. So here’s the plan.

We here in South Florida will come to you in Canada this winter. It will probably take some special legislative action by the Canadian Parliament to allow it.

You’ll need to make available a number of refugee visas for South Floridians between say, November and March.

It’s the least you can do to repay us for the winters we’ve hosted you as refugees from the cold.

Allowing us to be in Canada between November and March should get us out of the United States during the time the rest of America sorts out its accidental monarchy.

Our imaginary king, after losing by a resounding defeat, will refuse to relinquish his throne, and instead release America’s unregulated militias and Q-anon crazies to the streets, where they will meet their match in the U.S. military.

It will be ugly. Even uglier than a winter in Canada.

Meanwhile, we’ll put a few extra logs on the fire and do our best to be good house guests for you in Canada this winter.

We’ll shovel your driveways, learn to ice fish and play petanque, and earn points on our Tim Hortons reward cards. And you can teach us how to be kind and patient. (Good luck with that.) And then for the Winter of 2022, you can come back here to South Florida, and we’ll start resenting you again.

Waddya say? Deal? fcerabino@pbpost.com @FranklyFlorida



Chester
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Old 08-16-2020, 05:39 PM
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Geez louise - if they figured 10% of the Can. pop. were heading into just the U.S. south during winter months; what about all those Canadians who snowbird in other countries?

Gads, the poor guy who drew the short straw and had to stay home to keep the furnace running better not retire!

Sorry, the 10% number was for ALL Canadians that left for winter. I assume that most of those reside in the US during the winter months.
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Old 08-16-2020, 06:07 PM
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.........................Approximately 80,000 of Canada's snowbirds are members of the Canadian Snowbird Association. I guess if anyone wanted to know what snowbirds are saying about the border closure then there might be some information to be found about that in their CSA newsletters. I don't know if they have a discussion section but here is CSA's home page: https://www.snowbirds.org/

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Thank you for posting the link. It was very informative to read about the barriers that Canadians face in trying to live in the United States for six months every year.


I did find this....slightly off-topic.


Ed.: In order for the border data-sharing between Canada and the United States (known as the Entry/Exit Initiative) to become fully operational, Bill C-21 must be passed in the House of Commons and the Senate. Bill C-21 will allow Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) to collect personal information, including name, date of birth, gender and nationality, on all individuals who are leaving or have left Canada. At the time of printing, Bill C-21 has most recently been called for a Third Reading in the House of Commons. At this time, under this program, information is only being shared on permanent residents and third-country nationals, not Canadian and American citizens.


I went up to Canada a few years ago and was escorted into the "little room". Canada asked me, what STATES have I lived in during the past thirty years.


After about an hour...they released me. I suspect they were checking the state databases for crimes I might have committed.



It was my mistake...I drove up in a one-ton truck, wearing camo gear from hunting season and I am sure that Canada just figured I had a gun somewhere and had committed a crime sometime in my life!!!


I hunt birds. Boy, I will NEVER wear camo crossing the Canadian border ever again!!



The important part...is that if the Canadians are checking at that level they need the permission of the American government. Which means that the Americans are checking Canadian government data bases as well.


Be polite at the border...we are different countries.
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Old 08-16-2020, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Sorry, the 10% number was for ALL Canadians that left for winter. I assume that most of those reside in the US during the winter months.


It MIGHT be correct to say that 10 percent of Canadians take a winter holiday to a warmer place, perhaps for a a week or two, but not to live for the winter. I think if 10 percent of our population disappeared for six months a year, we would really notice that.

The numbers Zoisite mentioned are from Stats Canada.

"Spring is the season when many "snowbirds," a.k.a. Canadians who spend a part of the winter in warmer places, return to their usual place of residence in Canada.

300,000 to 375,000 people – The number of people in the population of Canadian "snowbirds" in the US and Mexico may be in this range.
Source: Online Catalogue 91F0015M Measuring Emigration in Canada: Review of Available Data Sources and Methods."

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/dai/sm...08_231_2019#s7

As for serious discussion about the border.

People would LOVE to get back to normal, on BOTH sides of the border. However NO serious discussion can even start, until the US starts to show massive improvement.
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Old 08-16-2020, 06:18 PM
 
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Sorry, the 10% number was for ALL Canadians that left for winter. I assume that most of those reside in the US during the winter months.
Well, I don't know what it was you were reading several years ago from the government but whatever they said several years ago it doesn't apply now.

It's a little less than 1% of all of Canada's population that leave for winter and it's never been as high as 10% at any time. Not ever. There aren't that many Canadians who even have that kind of money to spend under the best of circumstances regardless of whether or not they want to go away for winter. See post #14 above with the current numbers.

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Old 08-16-2020, 06:55 PM
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You might be right and so maybe I am......


Canadian plates in Arizona and Florida are equal to All the other US states in my observations.



But....the fact you have a Canadian Snowbird Association that deals with Canadians living in the US for six months every year....might be an indicator of how many Canadians go south.
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