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Old 03-23-2021, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Is there a synagogue in Gatineau?
No.
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Old 03-23-2021, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Canada
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If you know Spanish, can you understand this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLsCvKYAU4U
Easily.
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:08 PM
 
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Here’s another Ladino dialect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzBmzzZIs-o
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Old 03-27-2021, 03:31 PM
 
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https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...emble-montreal


"Âgé de 48 ans, Lionel Perez est né à Montréal en 1970 de parents juifs franco-marocains"


So not really "Hispanic" in the (North) American sense of the word, I'd say.
So Lionel Perez’s parents are pieds-noirs?
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Old 03-28-2021, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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So Lionel Perez’s parents are pieds-noirs?
I don't think they are considered as such.

For starters, pieds-noirs are generally associated with Algeria in the minds of most people.

Though some people associate the term with all former French possessions in North Africa.

But generally I think it mostly involves Algeria, which was a full-blown part of France at one time, whereas the others (like Morocco) had a different status.

Also, even when the term is extended to all of North Africa, I don't think that Sephardim are considered pieds-noirs either.

Don't ask me why. It's just what I have also read and heard.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:31 AM
 
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I don't think they are considered as such.

For starters, pieds-noirs are generally associated with Algeria in the minds of most people.

Though some people associate the term with all former French possessions in North Africa.

But generally I think it mostly involves Algeria, which was a full-blown part of France at one time, whereas the others (like Morocco) had a different status.

Also, even when the term is extended to all of North Africa, I don't think that Sephardim are considered pieds-noirs either.

Don't ask me why. It's just what I have also read and heard.
My understanding is the Pieds-noirs are the colonialist French settler population from North Africa. The Sephardim arrived much earlier, well before European colonialism, as refugees, not conquerors. As such, grouping them together would be odd, they are very different groups with different histories.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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My understanding is the Pieds-noirs are the colonialist French settler population from North Africa. The Sephardim arrived much earlier, well before European colonialism, as refugees, not conquerors. As such, grouping them together would be odd, they are very different groups with different histories.
Yup.

Although of course, some of the French settlers who moved to the French-annexed Algeria could have been Jewish themselves. Though my guess is that at the time most of them would not have been Sephardim Jews anyway, but Ashkenazis as most French Jews at the time.

(The Sephardim population in France itself has actually grown a lot since that time, due to the situation in North Africa deteriorating for them.)
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