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Old 02-13-2024, 07:41 AM
 
Location: ottawa, ontario, canada
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At least in Canada, newcomers arriving to the country these days aren't going to be voting in the next election and maybe not in the next one after that.

Of course, the Liberals being the Natural Governing Party, they always look at the long game.
do you think permanent residents in Canada, many of whom work and pay taxes and are not yet eligible for citizenship should be able to vote?
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Old 02-13-2024, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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do you think permanent residents in Canada, many of whom work and pay taxes and are not yet eligible for citizenship should be able to vote?
No.
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Old 02-13-2024, 09:45 AM
 
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No.
interesting, I don't want to derail this, the question of voting by permanent residents might be food for another discussion. I will just say I am reminded of a simple basic definition of politics given to me by a teacher of a Civics 101 class I took when I first came to Canada. That is politics is defined as who gets what and when as in how taxes are spent. At the time I worked and paid taxes, i was two years shy of being eligible for citizenship and could not vote.
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Old 02-13-2024, 09:55 AM
 
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Citizen is somebody who has vested interest in the well being of his country. Willing to go over the wire to defend it if need be. To develop loyalty and to comprehend the way things work in new place takes time. Often not until the next generation. Rolling out of YYZ and voting for the fellow towellhead the next day is travesty.
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Old 02-13-2024, 10:32 AM
 
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. That is politics is defined as who gets what and when as in how taxes are spent. At the time I worked and paid taxes, i was two years shy of being eligible for citizenship and could not vote.
Seems reasonable. Just like everything else in life you have to work for it, be patient and wait your turn.
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Old 02-13-2024, 10:42 AM
 
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edit.
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Old 02-13-2024, 02:28 PM
 
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Seems reasonable. Just like everything else in life you have to work for it, be patient and wait your turn.
I am not a huge Canadian patriot any more though I'm still not in favour of cheapening the value of our citizenship any more than it's already been cheapened.

Canada is enough of a "hotel" country as it is. No need to drive in the nail further.
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Old 02-13-2024, 04:23 PM
 
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Seems reasonable. Just like everything else in life you have to work for it, be patient and wait your turn.
I think it’s a great way to engage new arrivals in local democratic issues. Civic elections would be a good start
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Old 02-13-2024, 04:25 PM
 
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I meant is seems reasonable to NOT let people vote if they are not citizens. Wait your turn like everyone else. Pay your dues before being able to participate in the democratic process.
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Old 02-13-2024, 04:26 PM
 
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I am not a huge Canadian patriot any more though I'm still not in favour of cheapening the value of our citizenship any more than it's already been cheapened.

Canada is enough of a "hotel" country as it is. No need to drive in the nail further.
I hear you.
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