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Old 02-13-2024, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I am not a huge Canadian patriot any more though I'm still not in favour of cheapening the value of our citizenship any more than it's already been cheapened.

Canada is enough of a "hotel" country as it is. No need to drive in the nail further.
Sorry if I seem dense or ignorant but what is the meaning of a "hotel" country?


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I think it’s a great way to engage new arrivals in local democratic issues. Civic elections would be a good start
Canadian born citizens have to wait 19 years before they can vote, 18 years before they can become involved in election campaigning, 14 or 15 years before they can have a serious voice in so called "local" democratic issues.

If Canadian born citizens have to wait so many years then I see no harm in brand new arrival immigrants being required to wait 3 or 4 years to become thoroughly familiar with Canada's democratic and election systems before they get involved with even local democratic issues. I would be mighty suspicious of any new arrival who demonstrated a desire to be involved with local issues before that and would question what their possible ulterior motives might be for wanting to get involved so soon.

Likewise, nor is there any harm in new arrivals having to wait 3 or 4 or however many years it takes until they are confirmed citizens of this country before they are allowed to vote in provincial and federal elections.

I don't trust new arrivals who arrive with political agendas - not in this country, not even on this forum. They need to prove their trustworthiness and intelligence first and that takes time.

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Old 02-13-2024, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Legal voting age anywhere in Canada is actually 18.
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Old 02-13-2024, 09:22 PM
 
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And arranged marriage is illegal anywhere in Canada even if bride is over 12.
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Old 02-13-2024, 10:21 PM
 
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And arranged marriage is illegal anywhere in Canada even if bride is over 12.
Ohhhhhhh and yet it still goes down everyday in Brampton, Parc Ex and Surrey. It's big business.

Me want gal to take care and cook for me and provde legal residency.
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Old 02-13-2024, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Canada
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And arranged marriage is illegal anywhere in Canada even if bride is over 12.
No, it is not illegal. Arranged marriages are totally legal provided both parties are consenting to the marriage.

Forced marriages are illegal in Canada. As they should be.

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Old 02-14-2024, 09:19 AM
 
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If 12 years is old enough to transition, it is old enough to marry. And absolutely no one forces her to marry that hairy baba from 711. Better still, once married, she becomes instantaneous and solid voter for life for that other hairy baba...
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:45 AM
 
Location: ottawa, ontario, canada
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Canadian born citizens have to wait 19 years before they can vote, 18 years before they can become involved in election campaigning, 14 or 15 years before they can have a serious voice in so called "local" democratic issues.

If Canadian born citizens have to wait so many years then I see no harm in brand new arrival immigrants being required to wait 3 or 4 years to become thoroughly familiar with Canada's democratic and election systems before they get involved with even local democratic issues. I would be mighty suspicious of any new arrival who demonstrated a desire to be involved with local issues before that and would question what their possible ulterior motives might be for wanting to get involved so soon.

Likewise, nor is there any harm in new arrivals having to wait 3 or 4 or however many years it takes until they are confirmed citizens of this country before they are allowed to vote in provincial and federal elections.

I don't trust new arrivals who arrive with political agendas - not in this country, not even on this forum. They need to prove their trustworthiness and intelligence first and that takes time.

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I don't like the political agendas of some adult Canadian born citizens, yet they can vote in our democracy and I defend that right. You speak about Canadian born voters waiting till they reach a certain age, that's perfectly acceptable and should apply to everyone irrespective of they were born, I simply would like to see permanent residents who work and pay tax have a say in how those tax dollars are spent.
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Old 02-14-2024, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I don't like the political agendas of some adult Canadian born citizens, yet they can vote in our democracy and I defend that right. You speak about Canadian born voters waiting till they reach a certain age, that's perfectly acceptable and should apply to everyone irrespective of they were born, I simply would like to see permanent residents who work and pay tax have a say in how those tax dollars are spent.
There is a clear, easy pathway for those permanent residents to have a greater say in how their tax dollars are spent. It's called Canadian citizenship.
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Old 02-14-2024, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I don't like the political agendas of some adult Canadian born citizens, yet they can vote in our democracy and I defend that right. You speak about Canadian born voters waiting till they reach a certain age, that's perfectly acceptable and should apply to everyone irrespective of they were born, I simply would like to see permanent residents who work and pay tax have a say in how those tax dollars are spent.
Temporary foreign and migrant workers also pay both provincial and federal income taxes in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you don't want them to have some sort of vote.

I understand your point, but voting rights are not just based on who pays taxes, it's a right of citizenship.
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Old 02-14-2024, 10:32 AM
 
Location: ottawa, ontario, canada
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There is a clear, easy pathway for those permanent residents to have a greater say in how their tax dollars are spent. It's called Canadian citizenship.
of course, I was impatient then and I suppose decades later I still am. Made more infuriating by the blase attitude of some of my fellow Canadian to voting.
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