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Old 05-17-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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We need to lobby to change this ridiculous law. An offence with no mens rea (bad intent) required, a strict liability offense at that which doesn't even require one to be impaired but merely to blow over a certain arbitrary BAC limit, should not preclude one from traveling to Canada.

We need to lobby?

Who we?

US citizens who feel they should call the shots in another country?

The Canadian government (and the people of Canada in general) tend to view impaired driving as a serious offense. Of course, Canadians just love prospective and new immigrants who, as their first order of business, want to scream and yell to institute changes.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Default United States DUI prevents visit to Canada?

We've been planning an Alaskan cruise for a family reunion and everyone has been getting signed up and getting passports and such since the trip will end in Vancouver. My sister just called me and said she doesn't think they will be able to go since her husband has a DUI (Drunk Driving) from 1999 on his record. Apparently, that is a felony and they don't let felons enter Canada.

Does anyone know if this will keep him from getting off a cruise ship at the cruise ship terminal in Vancouver to go to the airport in Vancouver? All he wants to do is get off the cruise ship and go to the airport. Will a DUI from over ten years ago affect his ability to leave Canada? How does that work, does the cruise ship not allow him on board if they wouldn't be able to let him off in Vancouver?

I suppose they could sign up for a back to back cruise and go back to Alaska and leave from there? Then he would have to stay on board the ship, I guess. I don't know if the cruise ships allow that or not.

Anyone know anything about DUIs and entering/exiting Canada?
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: WNY
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These days.. Canada Border agents will not let visitors in who have a DUI. The American border agents do the same.

There are a few threads in these forums about it..
How do I gain access into Canada with a DUI conviction from 4 years ago without waiting for the 5 years 4 the rehablitat
Crossing the US/CA border with an old DUI on record.
How can I get into Canada from Michigan with a 6 year old DUI?
Do you think our border restrictions are too tough on our American neighbours?

Also several threads on other things barring entry like pot possession or pretty much any criminal record.

And you have to enter the country to get from the docks to the airport. Be a good bet to talk to the cruise line. They likely have dealt with this issue several times.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Thanks Marc,

I hadn't thought of asking the cruise lines. You're right that they would be folks who would have dealt with this sort of issue. I believe disembarking in Vancouver will the the first time we will have "entered" Canadian soil. I haven't a clue what the cruise ships would do in this situation. As you mentioned, they must have some sort of procedure!

A hui hou,
Catz
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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So when did this all start up?

I was with my Green Card Mexican roommate July 2009, traveling around Oregon/Washington, and we crossed into Victoria only for the day, just so he could say he had been to Canada. Green Card was accepted at the border, no passport was required at Customs.

Well, well! This man had had 2 DUI's in the last 5 years, and going back furthur to the 90's he racked up 7 DUI's in California. But he was allowed in!

Obviously, this new requirement must have come in within the last 3 years!
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Mexico City (Montreal soon!)
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So when did this all start up?

I was with my Green Card Mexican roommate July 2009, traveling around Oregon/Washington, and we crossed into Victoria only for the day, just so he could say he had been to Canada. Green Card was accepted at the border, no passport was required at Customs.

Well, well! This man had had 2 DUI's in the last 5 years, and going back furthur to the 90's he racked up 7 DUI's in California. But he was allowed in!

Obviously, this new requirement must have come in within the last 3 years!
It's been a law for a long time, but yes you're right that it has been enforced a lot more in the past few years. You can thank the American government for pressuring Canada into having a stricter border control.

And yes a Green Card holder from the USA can enter Canada regardless if he's from a visa-exempt country or not. However a PR holder from Canada (Canadian Green Card ) can't enter the USA if he's from a non visa-exempt country such as Mexico. Gotta love the double standard

Not everyone will get checked, so your friend got lucky, but I honestly wouldn't risk it.

Also for hotzcatz, check this out:

Application for Rehabilitation for Persons Who are Inadmissible to Canada Because of Past Criminal Activity

If you have the time and are willing to go through the process, you can check if you're eligible for rehabilitation and go through the paperwork.
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley
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Apparently, that is a felony and they don't let felons enter Canada.
There is no such thing as a felony in Canada, that's an American term.
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:06 PM
 
Location: The front porch outside of the Astral Plane
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We've been planning an Alaskan cruise for a family reunion and everyone has been getting signed up and getting passports and such since the trip will end in Vancouver. My sister just called me and said she doesn't think they will be able to go since her husband has a DUI (Drunk Driving) from 1999 on his record. Apparently, that is a felony and they don't let felons enter Canada.

Does anyone know if this will keep him from getting off a cruise ship at the cruise ship terminal in Vancouver to go to the airport in Vancouver? All he wants to do is get off the cruise ship and go to the airport. Will a DUI from over ten years ago affect his ability to leave Canada? How does that work, does the cruise ship not allow him on board if they wouldn't be able to let him off in Vancouver?

I suppose they could sign up for a back to back cruise and go back to Alaska and leave from there? Then he would have to stay on board the ship, I guess. I don't know if the cruise ships allow that or not.

Anyone know anything about DUIs and entering/exiting Canada?
Actually he won't be able to go into Canada at all with a felony conviction no matter how old it is.
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Old 03-28-2012, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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So he gets on a cruise ship in Alaska, it sails off and ends up in Vancouver, Canada. The cruise ship wants everyone off the ship, but he can't get off the ship because customs won't let him enter Canada.

So what are the possible scenarios?
1. He stays on the ship and gets charged for another cruise?
2. The ship boots him off and customs arrests him?
3. Customs escorts him out of the country? (and charges him some sort of fine?)
4. Nobody notices and nothing happens?
5. something entirely different?
6. They cancel the cruise and forfeit a lot of the money? (I'm thinking this will be the likely scenario.)

Filing for the "rehabilitation" would take too long since the cruise is in June and the paperwork takes from six months to a year. There was also something about a short term visa which could be applied for but I think that had a long term application, too.

There was something which could be applied for as they were going through customs, although that required a lot of extra paperwork and copies of old court documents and such. There was also something about the customs officers having discretion to let him in or not since the DUI was over ten years ago. However, my in law is not a particularly charming person, I could well imagine him getting the book thrown at him for having an attitude.
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Old 03-28-2012, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Will this tunnel-vision of DUI offenders ever end!!!

Doesn't matter to the tunnel-visioned if the DUI charge was having a blood alcohol level of .0825 or .15 or .20 or .30, a DUI charge is a DUI charge!

So!!! If you're going to get a DUI, have those two extra drinks and get your "money's" worth!

Some common sense please in this nonsensical world: .10 or under, you're allowed entry, over .10 no entry!

All very laughable, really, given the increasing # of accidents down here listed as medical episodes! Yup! They're allowed to rent a car, even if they mistakenly took an extra Xanac that day! Sleep-deprived drivers are as dangerous on the roads as drunk drivers, so you get off the cruise ship, only slept 3 hours the night before, you're then free to put other motorists at risk on Canadian highways!

Seeing a leaf, not being able to see the tree!
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