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Old 08-30-2011, 08:07 PM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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Exactly. Until you had cancer no one understand what goes through your mind. I take major issue with those who tell me what I should feel or do, who themselves have never experienced cancer or are trained in treatments and care of cancer patients.

Until someone understands what goes on, they really should keep their thoughts to themselves. Don't tout your alternative treatments, unless you have good evidence that is might improve things.
One problem I have with all these clinically unproven preventative or "cures" is they insinuate there is a conspiracy between all the doctors in the world to keep cancer alive because it's profitable. I'm offended for the honorable and great oncologist I have. If there was a cure he'd publish it. If he could have stopped my cancer from progressing, he would have.
The other problem I have is that "they" seem to be saying, in essence, that I am at fault for getting cancer. I resent that.
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Old 08-30-2011, 08:43 PM
 
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One problem I have with all these clinically unproven preventative or "cures" is they insinuate there is a conspiracy between all the doctors in the world to keep cancer alive because it's profitable. I'm offended for the honorable and great oncologist I have. If there was a cure he'd publish it. If he could have stopped my cancer from progressing, he would have.
The other problem I have is that "they" seem to be saying, in essence, that I am at fault for getting cancer. I resent that.
I concur! If someone has the "cure" they'd win the Nobel peace prize, they'd be beyond wealthy. I too take great offence at those who tout the conspiracy.

I am not sure if the conspiracy theorist are weak minded or what their issue is.
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Old 08-30-2011, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Mostly in my head
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Some people are just paranoid. They cannot believe with their intelligence, hard work, and good looks that life hasn't gone better. Therefore there is a conspiracy to keep them poor and ill or whatever.

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Old 09-16-2011, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Malaysia
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Amazingly, they are people who wanted prove that ceratin food or drinks especially those processed food or artificial flavored drinks causes cancers.

To get a conclusive proof, it is costly and almost impossible to track the consumption of certain foods which may be cancer causing. At most , we try to conclude if large doses adminstered to animal studies whether it can potential cells to turn bad or cancerous.

A food for thought - all those artificial colors , dyes or even MSG is linked to many diseases that cells became disruptive in clinical studies while at the same time food i.e. beta carotene is foumd to be anti radical. But then, those who uses colors to brighten thier presentation, preservation to extend shelf lfe, artificial food enhancersl ike MSG to make processed food taste nice do not , would not try to prove that it may be causing subjective cancer or unhealthy. All they have to do is to lobby for FDA, it is safe to be consume!!! Even drugs are being approved through this method. Any linkage to other symptoms especially those with would only showed toxicity in long term are not in the play book.

It is a known fact that we are what we eat with what we do. Those days back, people consume high carb which is much needed for thier manual work. With adjustment to today's lifestyle especially those who do not do manual work ( heck, we dont even change at TV set as we are already too dependent on remote control ), with high carb unused, it converts into glucose in the body and that is dangerous as it is linked to many diseases.

If we go to the American Heart Association or American Cancer Society comprising as a gold standard with many specialists - oncologists, cardiac surgeons. phycisian on the board. we find that excessive salt and sugar is not recommended. For instance, not more than 2400 mg of salt is not recommended. Yet, most people would consume way above that daily with processed canned food and eat out in MCD or KFC. But it is the unspoken rule, that none of the health ministries worldwide from US. UK &WHO that they would recommend that you take MSG or bootle sodas or junky fruity canned juices.

For those who wants more info, go to American Heart Association , New Dietary Guidelines Focus on Balance, Better Food Choices , www.msgtruth.org. http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/news/Ne...r-food-choices

Lastly. it was inconclusive to fight the giants like tobacco causes cancer many years until recently. Why???

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Old 09-16-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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Wanted to prove, yet they cannot find evidence of proof. The thing is, it has been studied time and again by several different groups of universities, labs etc and there is nothing conclusive.
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Old 09-17-2011, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Malaysia
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Amazingly, they are people who wanted prove that ceratin food or drinks especially those processed food or artificial flavored drinks causes cancers.

To get a conclusive proof, it is costly and almost impossible to track the consumption of certain foods which may be cancer causing. At most , we try to conclude if large doses adminstered to animal studies whether it can potential cells to turn bad or cancerous.

A food for thought - all those artificial colors , dyes or even MSG is linked to many diseases that cells became disruptive in clinical studies while at the same time food i.e. beta carotene is foumd to be anti radical. But then, those who uses colors to brighten thier presentation, preservation to extend shelf lfe, artificial food enhancersl ike MSG to make processed food taste nice do not , would not try to prove that it may be causing subjective cancer or unhealthy. All they have to do is to lobby for FDA, it is safe to be consume!!! Even drugs are being approved through this method. Any linkage to other symptoms especially those with would only showed toxicity in long term are not in the play book.

It is a known fact that we are what we eat with what we do. Those days back, people consume high carb which is much needed for thier manual work. With adjustment to today's lifestyle especially those who do not do manual work ( heck, we dont even change at TV set as we are already too dependent on remote control ), with high carb unused, it converts into glucose in the body and that is dangerous as it is linked to many diseases.

If we go to the American Heart Association or American Cancer Society comprising as a gold standard with many specialists - oncologists, cardiac surgeons. phycisian on the board. we find that excessive salt and sugar is not recommended. For instance, not more than 2400 mg of salt is not recommended. Yet, most people would consume way above that daily with processed canned food and eat out in MCD or KFC. But it is the unspoken rule, that none of the health ministries worldwide from US. UK &WHO that they would recommend that you take MSG or bootle sodas or junky fruity canned juices.

For those who wants more info, go to American Heart Association , New Dietary Guidelines Focus on Balance, Better Food Choices , www.msgtruth.org. New Dietary Guidelines Focus on Balance, Better Food Choices

Lastly. it was inconclusive to fight the giants like tobacco causes cancer many years until recently. Why???

Just like the tobacco, conclusive evidence is hard to be proven unless clinical ctudies is being done and followed up with many years as toxicity accumulation by processed food with artificial colorings or flavourings that show evidence of damaging to the body immune systems.

One of the yardstick we can depend on is the statistic figure i.e. the prevelance of incidence of cancer due to races based on the ethnic diets or chnges of diet due to the modern lifestyles. Many statistics have had pointed out Japanese and Chinese are in the highest catergory of colon cancer. And colon cancer is usually potentiate by food intake. And it is not surprising - Asians are taking too much MSG or salty food from processed canned food or ethnic salty dishes. Even the style of food preparation might be factor in as fried food. All these are considered damaging to the body cells as as oxidants to the body cells. When the cells turn bad due to the oxidant factors, it is considered to be cancerous or maglinant. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16257795

Fresh veggies from tomato can be a source of rich antioxidant to prevent oxidiation in the cells, but these values are destroyed by processed canned food with artificial flavoring such as salt and MSG. Moreover with flavored enhancers like MSG, there is little needs to put extra tomatoes to make it tasty in the soup can which you buy from the supermarket. In fact, there may be none of the real stuff in the magic sachet in your ramee or convenience noodles. Flavorome in matter of minutes with the granules of "chicken or veggie" broth.

It is a acceptable fat that nutrients from tomato, greens to herbs and spices contains antioxidants to fight and prevent oxidation in our body system and artificial chemically produced flavorings actually weaken it. it was labelled by Dr Baylock as excitatoxin.
The Truth about MSG Part 1 - YouTube

It is a wonder why people would consume something that shown no nutritional factor to enhance thier body system. ANother wonder why substance is being added to even the baby formulae.???
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Old 09-18-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Miami
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My mom smokes 3 packs of cigs a day and eats nothing but red meat and full-fat dairy. She is also overweight. I got cancer. Mom is doing great (thankfully).

Cancer is indiscriminatory and anyone can get it - even those with the healthiest habits. The best "preventative" is early screening.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:35 AM
 
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My mom smokes 3 packs of cigs a day and eats nothing but red meat and full-fat dairy. She is also overweight. I got cancer. Mom is doing great (thankfully).

Cancer is indiscriminatory and anyone can get it - even those with the healthiest habits. The best "preventative" is early screening.
That is the thing with cancer. There is no prevention for most cancers. I see more healthy people being diagnosed than unhealthy.

My sister and I are examples. We are both non smokers, non drinkers, eat fairly healthy, active and whoops. We had different types of cancer.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Washington County, ME
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There are some types of cancer that are more preventable.

Just like there are some that are more heredity.

There are SO MANY different types - even of breast cancer alone.

We have many cancers in my family, including hormone-driven (early in life) breast cancer. My sister beat it twice, and it now has ended up in her bones.

It's up to the person if they want to try to live in a way that MAY prevent cancers. I am going to try the nutrition/eating plan recommended by Dr. Joel Fuhrman (if you want to Google him). I am already a semi-vegatarian/semi-vegan (for numerous reasons); i do eat a bit of fish and seafood now and then.

I tend to believe the prevention ideas that make sense and dont seem like CRAZY, undocumented things. I believe in herbs and natural remedies, i know that. And i believe in early detection. I worked for a drug company for many years, and i KNOW i dont believe everything 'they' say.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Malaysia
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Oxidation happens when the immune system is being compromised. It is like a piece of iron. With oxidation from moistures and other agents, it turns rusty. Similarly, with all those processed foods, our body would be affected by the same way. Instead of "protecting", processed food with artificial coloring and enhancers, replace the role of the protection provided by natural veggies, herbs and spices which contains antioxidants or minerals which fights oxidation in our body immune system.

Unfortunately, the food industries are taking the advantage of consumers with loopholes and FDA is not that helpful either. In fact, decide for yourself with this latest news from Yahoo - 8 Biggest Red Flag Words on Packaged Foods - Food on Shine
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