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Old 11-16-2009, 04:16 PM
 
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Definitely get your father to see a doctor ASAP to play it safe, but to ease your mind, a chronic cough can be asthma, COPD, or just an infection.

The docs thought the same exact thing (2) different docs. The first once said she had asthma and was on meds for 4-6 months for "her asthma" and the 2nd doc said it a sinus infection and a really bad cold. My poor mom was caughing for well over a year. She went to a third doc and told her her thyroids feel swollen. The next day with a sonogram my mom was diagnosed with 3rd cancer. It spread to her lymph nodes and they think it might come back because they found 2 types of cancer and has a 10% chance of survival.

Please make sure your Dad goes and gets tested every which way he can. I wish your dad luck and hope that it's not anything bad.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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PS the doctors managed to kill my father in law before his cancer could.
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when they were doing one of several biopsies for the cancer (they couldn't seem to figure out "what kind" of cancer it was), they did some damage to the lung tissue and as a result the lungs started filling up with water

.. But the bottom line was that there was a lot of unnecessary pain involved in this situation. He would have been infinitely better off (and probably lived longer and in less pain) if he had just lived with his cough and not pursued a diagnosis.

20yrsinBranson
I'm sorry for you loss and experience, but NO the physicians did not kill your father in law.

It was your family or patient who decided to pursue the diagnosis, not the physicians. Stop placing the blame on the physicians. Why did your family allow multiple lung biopsies on a 90 YEAR OLD person? After the first or even second failed biopsy, consent should have been withdrawn.

Doctors are not allowed to do anything without INFORMED CONSENT. All procedures have risk, especially if you father in law is 90 years old. If they didn't explain the risk , please sue this hospital and doctor.

Many physicians are hesitant to do ONE lung biopsy on a 90 year old patient with CANCER, let alone multiple biopsies as you claim.

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When the tests came back from the hospital, it showed that the cancer was no longer growing and had "died", so all of this was for nothing.
20yrsinBranson
Please tell me how this cancer cancer died?
What test did they use to find this out?

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Old 11-16-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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Some cancers die on their own. No one knows why. Pathologists can routinely identify dead cancer cells in biopsies or removed tumors. My tumor had dead cancer cells in it along with cells that were growing.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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I'm sorry for you loss and experience, but NO the physicians did not kill your father in law.

It was your family or patient who decided to pursue the diagnosis, not the physicians. Stop placing the blame on the physicians. Why did your family allow multiple lung biopsies on a 90 YEAR OLD person? After the first or even second failed biopsy, consent should have been withdrawn.

Doctors are not allowed to do anything without INFORMED CONSENT. All procedures have risk, especially if you father in law is 90 years old. If they didn't explain the risk , please sue this hospital and doctor.

Many physicians are hesitant to do ONE lung biopsy on a 90 year old patient with CANCER, let alone multiple biopsies as you claim.



Please tell me how this cancer cancer died?
What test did they use to find this out?
I expect that the cancer died just the way many cancers die and that is that either the body's defense mechanisms kick in and it is destroyed by the immune system or the environment changes into an inhospitable one for the cancer and it dies. It's not that unusual, I have read (somewhere, when you read as much as I do, you can't remember exactly where), that as many as 25 percent of all cancers go into spontaneous remission with no treatment whatsoever. Many people have cancer and never know it.

They found out the cancer had died from the biopsies. I wish I could give you more information. But that is why they could not tell what "kind" of cancer it was. Each time they went in after another sample of the tumor they came back saying it was dead and they could not identify it. So they would schedule another biopsy for another day. Personally, I thought it sounded kind of crazy but that is what my MIL said was happening.

And you are correct in that my FIL did request that the tests be done so that the cancer could be treated. However, it is the blind, misguided faith in doctors that causes this kind of thing to happen. He would have been infinitely better off to avoided them like the proverbial plague.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:30 PM
 
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Blind misguided faith in doctors? So 4 years of collage 4 years of Medical school, internships, residencies, and fellowships amount to distrust?

It sounds like FIL forced the doctor into a corner here. That doesn't sound like blind faith. I understand anger and the pain of the loss.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Blind misguided faith in doctors? So 4 years of collage 4 years of Medical school, internships, residencies, and fellowships amount to distrust?

It sounds like FIL forced the doctor into a corner here. That doesn't sound like blind faith. I understand anger and the pain of the loss.
All of the education and training in the world is no guarantee that someone isn't going to have a bad day, make a bad diagnosis or just simply "not know what he is doing".

I worked with a doctor once. Even though it was more than 30 years ago. Everybody knew how incompetent he was. One day one of the doctors he worked with purposely put a chest film up on the viewer upside down and asked Dr. "R", for his opinion on what the problem was. Dr. R never once noticed that the film was upside down. Another time, again making fun of his stupidity, he mentioned to Dr. R. that he thought the woman had TB and wanted his opinion. Dr. R said, "yes, I believe she does have TB" The other doctor laughed out loud and said..."Yeah, TB - Two Boobs" LOL

This guy went through medical school, internships, residences and he couldn't find his own butt with both hands and a road map.

And you want me to have faith in doctors? I don't think so.

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Old 11-17-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Great Plains
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You can doubt science, I think I will continue to doubt the witch doctors... Thank you.

Amazing how one doctor establishes the reputation of a whole medical community. I am able to pick out a hack doctor and have no qualms about firing them and finding someone who is perfectly competent.
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:08 AM
 
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You can doubt science, I think I will continue to doubt the witch doctors... Thank you.

Amazing how one doctor establishes the reputation of a whole medical community. I am able to pick out a hack doctor and have no qualms about firing them and finding someone who is perfectly competent.
Having spent almost 30 years on the administrative side of health care, I've seen many practitioners in my time. There are a few hacks out there but for the most part, the doctors AND nurses (never forget the nurses) that I've observed have been competent, knowledgable, caring and appropriate. For me, I'll stick with science over the alternatives.
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:34 AM
 
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OK all I can say if the cough doesn't get treated by the doctors seeing then move on to more docters. Any chance of colon cancer before then really find a good docter. My father never smoked but was in bars years ago that did. That had nothing to do with it. Colon cancer can show are relapse as lung cancer. He did many appointments saying something is wrong, cold, astma, allgeries finally went to a cancer specialist out of seattle. Took 6 months him saying something is wrong.

He was on 7 years remission , pep scans didn't show it blood said he was fine but persistance cough. He finally became pro activce. Said FU something is wrong I don't feel this way. 9 months later. He lived one year later. Never smoked, athletic helicopter skiing, marathon runner, hiker, etc.

If you believe something is wrong then go to the next docter. and the next and the next till you find a cure or a issue. Herbal is a good way of treating along with convensational. However it is up to your Dad to make those choises. I wanted herbal natural but it was his body and his life supporting them is the most important thing towards attitude. Let them be in control it is there life. I can't deal with a family that doesn't allow the person making their own choices wiether I agree with or not it is their life,. Dont put guilt on a person for making their own decisions no matter your belief

Do not mean to scare you in any way. Could be solved with something like musiex. I have a constat cough fron sinus and smoking that I haven't gave up . I know wrong. But if you and him think something is wrong than it is. Find a doc that will do more than the average diagnoses.
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Old 11-21-2009, 07:15 PM
 
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I'll pitch in here too.

The cough could be GERD (reflux). Ask for a CT Scan, although you need to know that there is the possibility of frequent false positives. If anything comes out on the CT, and depending on location and size of lesion, maybe a PET scan would be next. There are different testing modes for different issues. Sometimes you start from the bottom up, sometimes you start at the top.

If he's coughing so much, ask for robitussin with codeine (if he's not allergic to the codeine). It's a controlled substance but it will DRASTICALLY help with the aching ribs.

I don't trust X-rays for diagnosing lung CA. It's kind of late by the time it shows up on that.

Could just be bronchitis too. Levaquin is the best. Maybe an inhaler. And the codeine. (voice of experience here. :-) )

Good luck.
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