talked out of wet food (weight, throws, litter, excessive)

[catsmom21]

I am aware of what is in the Hills prescription c/d. The fact remains that on any other diet my cat develops crystals in her urine. She is 6 1/2 years old now and I am not putting her through any more food trials, only to put her back on the c/d when the crystals come back.

I prefer not to follow all the fashionable hype and fervor about vets being biased and all that. I'm not into vet bashing. Sure I suppose some are. And some continue their education on a daily basis, some specialize in researching nutrition and diet, some listen to their clients and learn from them, some don't. No profession is free from people who only want to make a buck.

Most vets do not make much profit selling prescription food, they carry it for the convenience of the consumer, and charge the lowest possible price.

Any vet who cares about you and your pet will be happy to write a prescription if you can find the food cheaper elsewhere, or write a prescription for a different brand of the specialized food, if that's what you want.

In most cases you will not find the food cheaper elsewhere, at least not cheaper than what my vet charges.

[HOF4256]

Originally Posted by catsmom21

I prefer not to follow all the fashionable hype and fervor about vets being biased and all that. I'm not into vet bashing..

I'm sorry that sharing of info is taken for vet bashing, for it is only due to thanks (and profuse admiration and gratitude) to many wonderful veterinarians for having shared their vital information.

Drs Martin Goldstein, Pitcarin, Fox, Hodgkins (who once worked for said company); Pierson, Rogers, Zoran, etc. the list goes on...(<---they can all be googled for their credentials.)

The pet food recall, as well, enlightened us to the real story behind corn glutens, and such (even without contaminations). These Angels saw to it that they shared such vital information.

[catman]

Originally Posted by catsmom21

Just to clarify, c/d is not Science Diet, it is Hills Prescription Diet.

Hills Science Diet is grocery store food and is not at all the same thing as Hills Prescription Diet.

Quite right. Thanks for the correction!

In any case, Hill's Prescription Diet Feline c/d is what I feed my cats. It is subtitled 'Bladder Health'. They thrive on it.

[lottamoxie]

My cat drinks water often, but not a huge amount. Actually, she plays with the water more often than sipping it...she likes to look at her reflection in the stainless steel bowl and then 'test' the water, dipping her paw in, and tasting it, over and over (like I might have done something nefarious to her water?)

She eats high quality non-grain wet food and non-grain kibble. I don't think she's dehydrated. She gets absolutely no corn, no wheat, no soy, no byproducts. She doesn't like wet seafood, so she eats chicken and turkey/turkey giblet formulas. Her dry kibble is made with salmon and that she will eat, but raw or cooked salmon is of no interest.

[J-CityRelo]

Catsmom I totally understand where you're coming from. My kitten has been so sick recently and I will try anything to help him; even though normally I don't agree with feeding those prescription diets (because of the crap ingredients), I will do whatever it takes. I tried the low residue food the vet suggested against my better judgement. It didn't work. But if it would have made my kitty better I would have been extremely hesitant to try other foods when I've finally found something that works. Not only is experimentation hard on the kitty but it seems unnecessary to put him through it. You can always make chicken or turkey to supplement the food with. Every cat is different and what works for one doesn't necessarily work for all.

[Garden of Eden]

OH, people, I understand to the nth degree what FEAR does and WHY some of you are NOT hearing the truth about feline nutrition. Our belief in what a vet prescribes is NOT necessarily correct, especially when it comes to feline nutrition. Most vets, NOT ALL, do NOT have the necessary education when it comes to feline nutrition. This passing the buck of responsibility to a vet is NOT correct either. You have a brain, you know your cat better then anyone else (or at least I would hope so), and bottom line, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure your cats are receiving the very best of care. Nutrition is up there in percentage wise in accordance of importance to a cat.

FEAR paralyzes you, preventing you to CHANGE, or at the very least LISTEN to some here who have gone through the paces, and have learned at extremely HIGH PRICES. The stubbornness shown in this thread to NOT even be willing to LISTEN amazes me! WAKE UP and smell the coffee!!!!! Prescription DRY cat food is NOT, is NOT, is NOT good for your cat! IT IS JUNK!

WHY WHY WHY do you insist on NOT even trying a raw chicken diet for your cats? Is it for your convenience, is it out of fear because what you are presently using seems to be helping your cat maintain a semblance of health, or are your needs more important then your cats' needs?

RAW RAW RAW And believe me, I will RAW RAW RAW on this forum until my very last breath!!!

I HAVE 6 FLUTD'S AND THEY ALL EAT RAW. SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN EATING THE RAW FOOD, THEIR BODIES ARE HEALING! (tears in my eyes)

Is it because I don't have DVM behind my name that you just brush my advice off and push the "Fade to silence" button when I post here? My God, My God! I am so exasperated at this point, at the stupidity and the excuses I am hearing as to WHY you won't change to a food that would actually help begin making your cats well!

What is it going to take for those of you, especially, who have ill cats, to trust someone's word who is walking her talk RIGHT NOW!

Geesh! I'm done! I don't need this aggravation in my life right now! If it wasn't for the love I have for felines, I wouldn't even bother getting all hot under my collar.

THINK, People! THINK!!!!! Will you change your mind when the floor drops out from under your feet??? That is exactly what I have been trying to prevent from happening, but again, these deaf ears here are seriously unbelievable!

[cl723]

Garden, you are patronizing. And, fear? What are you talking about. What does fear have anything to do with this...nothing.

[catsmom21]

Raw is not a cure all. Nor is it a viable option for everyone. And you should be careful what you say. You make it sound as though feeding raw is throwing a few chicken wings down every day.

As you know, it is not that simple. It requires a lot of research and adding of supplements, and tweaking for each individual animal's needs.

Your rant makes it sound that simple. I wonder how many, not realizing it is much more than that, might end up with malnourished animals if they should read your condescending post.

You feed a lot of bone to those FLUTD cats of yours? Do you keep track of how much phosphorous and calcium and magnesium they are getting? When was their last urine cultures? I'm not heckling, I am asking, to illustrate my point. Raw is not as simple as you make it out to be and there are many who can not do it. There are many who should not do it.

I will not be made to feel guilty. I know what's best for me and mine. I don't need your approval to live with my choices.

And in my opinion going fanatical is not going to convince anyone of anything. I know lots of people who feed raw. Some are like you, who want to shove it down people's throats and try to make people feel like losers if they feed anything else. Some realize that there are many types of people in this world and raw, while it works for them and theirs, is not for every person or even every pet. They are willing to educate those who want to know more about it, but not by telling them off, which will get you nowhere.

PS I am, genuinely, happy raw works for you. I am not against raw feeding in general. But it's not for me.

[no kudzu]

post it again please

[HOF4256]

[quote=Garden of Eden;16591551Is it because I don't have DVM behind my name that you just brush my advice off and push the "Fade to silence" button when I post here?[/quote]

Believe you're only half-right there, Garden.

You see, some of the foremost feline experts' own info and websites have been provided, as by Lola4 for instance, and that, too, appears to have "faded to silence."

And I have strictly limited the contents of my own posts in this thread as well to that which such renowned Veterinarians (Drs. Pierson, Hodgkins, et el) have available on their own websites, free for the taking. Nothing being sold, just good old basic cat facts.

The thing is, you and the Veterinarians such as Dr Pierson don't endorse products which have all that $$$$$ behind them, thus voices such as theirs are foreign. May as well be in Japanese to the mainstream. Perhaps "Nothing being sold" in this day and age is too weird for folks to relate to? What's the catch? How can it have appeal, and legitimacy, when there's no high $$$ and propaganda attached to it?

Which is why I don't blame the pet owners for what is being force-fed them. After all, if it's not endorsed somewhere on TV and promoted heavily $$$$, then it can't be true, right?

YET we (personal us, not general us) DO still blame ourselves for not listening to the veterinarian at Noah's Ark, with her pictures and illustrations of dog and cat digestive systems and teeth all over her walls, as she tried telling us over and over again. Took yet another dying, this one on her operating table (but from the SAME damn thing) and her literally pointing it out there right there for it to finally sink in.
We didn't heed her advice because we dismissed her as a "health freak" despite what was all over her walls!! She's got the DVM, and other fancy initials after her name, but it didn't matter because we believed the TV.

Originally Posted by no kudzu

post it again please

Yes, please do (the recipe). Thankfully we do have the Internet, where anyone can come across the info from all sides; digest it all, and then form their OWN conclusions.
Now at least people finally DO have that option, theirs to take or leave.

Take care, all.