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Old 07-10-2011, 10:43 PM
 
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Chopped beef is not a complete diet. It lacks minerals for one thing. Cooked eggs are fine but raw destroys a very important vitamin. Tuna fish isn't healthy for them either. Where did you get the idea to feed such a diet to your cat?
Because they are naturally meat eaters in the wild, along with occasionally beating skunks to the eggs.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Probably any store that caters to the snake and lizard crowd would carry such things. That's what people feed them. What can be better than birds and mice for cats?
I don't disagree, I just found it odd that English sparrows would be on the menu. I wouldn't have even looked twice at frozen quail, pigeon, or any other bird with widely accepted use as feeder stock or culinary stock. Sparrows means that someone is trapping them and flipping them to the store or the store is trapping them. I passionately hate English sparrows and have no ethical hang-up over the practice whatsoever, just wasn't something I would have expected to see. Perfect sized bird for feeding kitties, though.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:57 PM
 
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We're probably talking out of my price range then. Overnight shipping is costly. I don't understand why the large grocery stores don't carry organ meats anymore. We have no butchers here as in the cities. When I lived in NYC I'd have the butcher make a package of organ meats and meat scraps every week. The cats wouldn't eat it but the dogs loved it. He'd add a little bit of everything to the package. Then for my son's guinea pigs and rabbits I'd stop by A&P and Bohack for the crates of waste vegetables. It was a sin what was thrown away back then. It probably still is.
This probably isn't out of your price range, on the other hand...


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Old 07-11-2011, 09:22 AM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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bideshi...while you are right technically about the meat the problem is ground hamburger that you can buy from the store is just muscle meat and fat, cats need a balanced calcium to phosporous ration first and froemost which needs to be done by adding edible bone (neck, chicken ribs wings ect) or by adding a calcium suppliment...
you also need ot balnace out muscle meat with organ meat...so adding liver and kidney (liver at bare minimum) is a must...

secondly while cats would eat meat in a natural diet, ive never seen a pride of wild cats hunting beef steer...though it would be quite entertaining...so it might be worth "switching it up" some and using turkey, chicken, rabbit, duck ect rather than just beef...cats in the wild will eat rabbit, mouse, rat, snake, and various birds.
i have no problem with people feeding the meat thats available, as long as its balanced, they do need MEAT BONE and ORGANS.
youve got the meat part down...but your still missing the 2 other parts of the equation.

i only do canned fish (or any fish for that matter) once in a great blue moon...too many chemicals like mercury in canned fish.

i DO give mine raw eggs, raw eggs are better as cooking changes the protein structure.

unblanaced raw diets can be just as bad as commercial kibble...so you certainly need to be aware of those problems if taking the raw route.
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:11 PM
 
Location: SE Michigan
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On the other hand...canned clams are extremely high in taurine (an essential amino acid for cats.)

There's tons of excellent websites on feed raw to cats specifically...this little article gives a pretty basic rundown, including information on taurine (except for cats, the recommended amount of bone is a bit high...8-10% is more accurate for cats although more won't harm an adult cat):
Cat Food: taurine, canned clams, natural prey

Bideshi, kudos to you for realising your cat is an obligate carnivore! Add some calcium source, organs and a bit more variety and you'll be fine.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Manassas, VA
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I have 11 cats. I used to feed the prepackaged frozen raw diet to my guys but haven't done it in quite some time. Now I'm worried about the comment about waiting 12 hours after eating dry or canned food. I was thinking about doing a part raw diet again...but waiting 12 hours...that's pretty much impossible with all these guys....
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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One of my biggest undertakings in feeding the raw is going to be switching mine off of the free feeding. My Lexie has bottom of the bowl phobia! LOL if she even thinks that bowl might get empty she starts to cry for a refill - it's so annoying. There is plenty in her bowl but she will wail for a fill up relentlessly only to take two bites once I give in and give her more. She draws a hard line that if she can see the bottom then that bowl is empty When we got to bed at night we have to make sure the bowl is "Lexie full" or we know we will get woken up in the middle of the night LOL
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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One of my biggest undertakings in feeding the raw is going to be switching mine off of the free feeding. My Lexie has bottom of the bowl phobia! LOL if she even thinks that bowl might get empty she starts to cry for a refill - it's so annoying. There is plenty in her bowl but she will wail for a fill up relentlessly only to take two bites once I give in and give her more. She draws a hard line that if she can see the bottom then that bowl is empty When we got to bed at night we have to make sure the bowl is "Lexie full" or we know we will get woken up in the middle of the night LOL
Who's training who around there?
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:53 AM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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ive personally never had problems feeding raw and comercial... just as long as i dont tyr to feed in the same meal...

ive also fiound my cats are much less interested or worried about bottom of the bowl on raw days...i think its much more satisfying for them so there less interested in grazing.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Near Nashville TN
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Because they are naturally meat eaters in the wild, along with occasionally beating skunks to the eggs.
They would not be eating eggs on a regular basis and those eggs would be in various stages of incubation. From yolk and white to fully formed little bird. It would also only be in the spring and early summer when birds are breeding.
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