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Old 12-17-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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My kitty had a combination of ills.... I gave her fluids, pills... almost daily... finally because she was not eating at all and I knew that she had a tumor, I decided that she had had enough being messed with. None of this was going to make her health any better. I had to see that the treatments were all for me keeping her around longer. Not good for kitty. So, I had her put to sleep. We had a ceremony and honored her life prior to that.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: SC
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My cat is 16 yrs old she was just diagnosed with chronic kidney failure. Her bun and creatine levels were very high. She recieved iv fluids for two days at the vet and I brought her home last night. She just wants to lay with me n sleep. I tried all kinds of food to get her to eat she picks at it but isn't eating very much. I tried her old dry food the hills kidney diet food and a wet food. I don't know what to do I know she needs to eat more. She's on amoxicillin for a bladder infection and I'm giving her Pepcid ac once a day I start the sub fluids tomoro.
I reversed near kidney disease that a cat of mine developed simply giving him 1/2 a dose of kidney glandulars from Enzyme Process (enzymeprocess.com). I have the lab results to prove it. The vet was really impressed with how the creatinine levels dropped to the low normal range from almost out of the normal range when I was told he was a candidate for Kidney disease.

If you call Enzyme Process they will give you the name of a health food store that sells the glandulars for less than they do. They are REALLY affordable! One bottle costs around $7 and it will last for two months.

I changed his diet to a lower protein home prepared diet by adding in organic canned pumpkin and butter and Vitamin A and D to the usual raw ground meat and pre-mix called "TC Feline" which provides the bone equivalent and other minerals and supplements.

You can get it at "KnowBonesPetSupply.com. For the Kidney glandulars which your cat will LOVE, you can give it as a treat or grind the pill into a powder with a mortar and pestle or between two spoons and sprinkle/mix it into the food.

If your cat doesn't "like" the higher quality food, fast her on homemade high calcium chicken broth for a few days. She'll detox while on the broth which you can let her have as much as she wants 3-4 times a day. After 2-3 days fasting on the broth, she'll have an edge to her appetite and will transition to the new high quality home prepared "kidney disease" diet pretty easily.

All you are doing with the glandulars is giving the Kidneys food it needs to work properly. For the bladder infection I would stop the Pepcid AC and the antibiotic ASAP as soon as the vet says it is OK. Both of those will damage the ability of the cat's digestive system to absorb nutrients as they kill off all the friendly bacteria. Since you are already giving the cat those things, in between doing so, I would give the cat some probiotics to encourage the growth of the good bacteria which the drugs are killing off. Petdophilus by Jarrow Formulas is good. Sometimes a good diet Vitamin C and Rescue Remedy are all you need to get the urinary tract working properly. Better yet, at the first sign of a problem, it is always best to fast using Anitra Frazier's High Calcium Chicken Broth recipe in her book THE NATURAL CAT. I would continue with the Probiotics after she is off the drugs. I might also add in a digestive enzyme although, if you do the TC Feline, (you could also/instead do one of the home prepared recipes in THE NATURAL CAT book), you may not need a digestive enzyme.

Bottom line is the diagnosis of "Kidney Disease" need not be a death sentence. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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Bottom line is the diagnosis of "Kidney Disease" need not be a death sentence. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
This at least is very true. I wouldn't do anything else you mentioned without vet advice.
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Old 12-18-2013, 04:17 PM
 
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Actually, I consulted with a naturopath that I've been using for 20 years and they suggested the kidney glandulars.

You won't find that in Anitra Frazier's book.

So far in my experience what has done the most to keep my cats healthy have been to first listen to a holistic vet or allopathic vet I was using at the time and running their suggestions by my naturopath. My advice would NEVER be to let a conventional vet decide how to treat a cat or dog with a chronic oe degenerative disease. Even the holistic vets often know next to nothing. A naturopathic doctor who helps people and their pets is often FAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE
than even the "best" so called "holistic" vet.

Now if your cat is injured or poisoned or in a life or death situation , let the conventional vet do what they've been trained to do. Kidney disease is not that. In fact if you want to set up a phone appt with my naturopaths, go to holistichealthline.com The will spend an hour with you and look at any medical records your cat has and the only charge about $50 for a pet's initial visit.
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Old 12-19-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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You keep posting here about fasting cats though. Anyone giving that advice is most assuredly doing a disservice. There are no two ways about that. Cats should not fast for multiple days. That repeated bad info from perhaps some of the same sources makes me question anything else you suggest here. You have demonstrated that your information can't be trusted.

Regardless of what you feel about conventional medicine, it is very important to remember that a cat is not a human and will not consistently respond as a human would to human remedies. It's all well and good to be holistic, and I wouldn't have any problem with a holistic vet.

Kidney disease CAN be or result in a life or death situation though. It is very wrong to suggest it is not. It is a progression. There's typically nothing to see or diagnose until kidney function is about 2/3 gone. After that, progression can be slow over years or fast over months. There can be crashes, there can be other complications. It is, unless only caught at the end, a condition to be managed it's true. But ultimately the cat will feel too unwell for it to be humane to make them continue.

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Old 02-03-2015, 11:03 AM
 
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Be careful with Cyproheptadine! Our cat is in stage 4 CKD and he went into seizures on it and then he had hallucinations and was terribly disoriented for almost 24 hours after that. He lost almost all control of his back legs and was miserable and appeared to be very frightened. It worked for about the first 3 days and then we started noticing subtle changes such as weakness in the back legs, he was very excitable and anxious, holding his head up high and twitching. On the 5th day he had the seizure and our vet attributed it to the Cyproheptadine. It has taken 4 days to get it out of his system and he is now pretty much back to normal (normal meaning what he was prior to starting it.) Be very careful as it was horrifying for us to watch. He was on 2g a day and our vet said if we do restart it again it will be 1g twice a week at the most. Please watch your cat carefully for excitability and weakness if you decide to try this drug. If you do, I would be cautious and try the lowest dose possible. Tanya's web site says her members have had success with .5g of a dose daily. If your cat starts acting anxious be careful not to necessarily mistake this for feeling better like we did. If you see this behavior I would contact your vet right away...don't wait...better safe than sorry like we were.
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Old 02-04-2015, 03:13 PM
 
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HELP CKD, CKF CAT GAIN WEIGHT

My cat Muffy is 18 years old (on July 1 2014), Has CKD since Oct (4 months). Is on Fortekor (here in Canada. But I get the generic benazepril as it's much cheaper.) 1/2 tablet every 24 hours.
I give her Sub Qs at home twice a week.

How I got her to gain weight.

Anyways, though she loves food, she stopped eating as much and lost quite a bit of weight.
Though 1/2 vets say give diet of low protein and 1/2 vets say doesn't matter.
CKD vet specialists say to give HIGH QUALITY protein to keep a CKD cat's weight up. Like real steak lightly cooked or real turkey or chicken lightly cooked. Make sure turkey & chicken breasts are skinless & boneless only!

NOT the ground chicken, ground steak or ground turkey as it comes in batches ground from at least 100 to 500 cows at a time & has a lot of the junk meat in it.
If you can get the butcher to grind that piece of steak, skinless, boneless chicken or skinless, boneless turkey for you, that's fine .
Also she didn't mind Heinz Baby food...Chicken with Broth or Beef with Broth (no other type like Junior or a mix etc as they have extra things in them not good for cats). One small jar only 60 cents and so worth a try.

We went to the grocery store and bought a cheap steak/chicken breast on sale (depending on the day you can get steak/chicken on clearance and freeze it for another day).

Lightly brown whole steak on medium/high heat in fry pan in touch of Olive Oil til brown, then turn it totally off for 5 minutes and it will be barely pick in middle. NO SALT or SEASONING!

For the skinless, boneless chicken and turkey, I cook it for longer and turn it totally off for 10 to 15 minutes and the juices should be clear with NO PINK.

I then cut some of that meat into strips and then in small pieces...enough for that day. It only takes 1 - 2 minutes to cut up a small 1 by 2 inch piece from the steak or chicken. Muffy LOVES it!!! I feed her about every 3 or 4 hours. She likes the chopped up steak best and my other cat Daisy who's Muffy's sister and also 18 years old but doesn't have CKD loves the chopped up chicken.

Muffy has steadily gained weight on the chopped steak & prescription food
(low phosphorus). About every other day, I warm up Lactaid or Lacteeze milk (about 3 - 4 Tablespoons) it's lactose free.
Let me know if anyone wants Grocery store canned cat food phosphorus counts. Eg. Fancy Feast has phosphorus counts of 287 mg per 100 mg to over 800 mg per 100 mg! (Vet says anything under 250 mg per 100 mg is excellent. I only give my non CKD cat 2 Fancy Feast types that are at the low end of the scale.

Persuading Your Cat to Eat:
http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_...htm#human_food
Additional Nourishment
This section covers foods that taste good to many cats (so they may be prepared to eat them on their own) but which also can help keep them going at times of crisis, or enable them to gain weight if they need to do so.
If one thing doesn't work, try another. Click on Eggs for example and it will go into detail. Click on any others for details.
Eggs Clinicare RF Hill's a/d prescription food Baby food
Human food Nutri-Cal Meat or fish pastes
http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_...htm#human_food
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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Wow! This thread is so old, I wonder what happened with the OP.

I have two cats that are 16 and 17. The 16 yo is doing well. The 17 yo has some kidney issue, but still has a decent appetite.

When an old cat with kidney issues gets to the point that he/she won't eat anymore, to me that means their time is just up. If a cat won't eat, their health has probably deteriorated so much that it's just time for them to die, and if they're suffering the most humane thing would be to put them to sleep.
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