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Old 10-29-2014, 11:18 PM
 
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i have a cat with urinary issues and he's also extremely fussy. we switched him to canned food entirely and he likes it, but he only wants a fresh can, or he wants a new flavor each time. with kibble he will eat the same kind for years. i'm wasting so much canned food at almost $2 per can. with him only eating a little bit once and then refusing any more until you open a fresh can or a different flavor. yeah i'm sure he'd eat eventually if he got hungry enough, but the canned food can't stay out long before it dries up and basically becomes kibble, so i'm left opening new cans all the time

since he had his surgery today for the first time i fed him dry food but i mixed in water with it. is this equally as good as canned food?

btw it's high quality ultra premium dry food. for example merricks canned vs merricks dry with water added
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:51 AM
 
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No it is not the same. Dry food is very high in carbohydrates for one thing, something cats don't need and cats with urinary tract problems need to avoid. Carbohydrates raise the urine pH creating an alkaline urine.

Dry food is covered in bacteria and when wet the bacteria multiplies quickly. While a cat's digestive system should be equipped to handle a certain bacteria load from a raw diet, dry food takes so long to digest the bacteria has plenty of time to ferment in the guts.

The reason cats eat dry food so readily is because it is sprayed with animal digest, a horrible ingredient that makes the food addictive. No cat would eat it otherwise.

There are options. Buy 3 ounce cans.

Or..how are you storing the left overs? Left over canned food should not be stored in the can. It should be stored in glass food containers, tightly covered in the fridge. Since he likes vareity, there isn't any reason why you can't open a can, feed him then store it as I advised, until the next day, or the day after that. Canned food is okay for a couple days in the fridge, stored properly.

I use the little one cup size Pyrex containers.

When feeding left over food warm it slightly first. Use glass dishes for your cat. Run hot water over the dish, then put the food in the dish. Let the dish sit in another dish of hot water for a few minutes, then add a little warm water to it to warm it even more and to bring out the flavor.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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well i think the carbohydrate amount is about the same when comparing merricks canned to merricks grain free dry food.

i guess the bacteria thing is a concern though
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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Don't get me started on $2 cans!

I add a lil water and olive oil to the wet, even...if the cat does not SEE me
reach for the olive oil...it meows and just stares at me waiting....it's crazy!!!
I feed it on a high stool bec of the doggy, he can see every
move I make at the counter!! Gawd!

How I am getting more fluid in everybody (all the ferals outside)
is milk...please, no one tell me that is bad.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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Cats have to smell their food to eat it. So maybe the leftovers are cold and the cat doesn't smell it. Try taking it out of the fridge a while before feeding. You can also buy some mackeral or sardines (pretty cheap) and drizzle the liquid over the leftover food.
The key to getting more fluids in is to always have fresh water available. Change it multiple times each day. Some people use the water fountains that recirculate water. I know someone who leaves her faucet on just enough that it drips slightly.
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Old 10-30-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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well i think the carbohydrate amount is about the same when comparing merricks canned to merricks grain free dry food.

i guess the bacteria thing is a concern though
Of course it does depend on the formula of wet you are feeding, some canned formulas can be almost as high as dry. In general feeding pate (aka loaf) styles are going to be lower in carbs than anything containing "gravy"

Use this conversion chart to find carb percentages


Cat Food Nutrition Calculator | Elizabeth C Scheyder

Remember you must use the Dry Matter percentages to compare wet with dry It is at the bottom of the chart
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Old 10-30-2014, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Don't get me started on $2 cans!

I add a lil water and olive oil to the wet, even...if the cat does not SEE me
reach for the olive oil...it meows and just stares at me waiting....it's crazy!!!
I feed it on a high stool bec of the doggy, he can see every
move I make at the counter!! Gawd!

How I am getting more fluid in everybody (all the ferals outside)
is milk...please, no one tell me that is bad.
What...?

I don't know about olive oil (Nimbus attempted to lick some vegetable oil out of a pan we fried chicken in last night--I stopped him!) but I can tell you that yes, unfortunately, milk for cats is very bad. I'm surprised you don't know exactly how and why it's bad by this point, if you've been doing it for a while. Most cats are lactose intolerant, which means that dairy, especially normal milk, will give them diarrhea. They do sell milk formulated without lactose for cats though. I imagine that that lactose free milk for people might be OK too as long as it doesn't have almond or soy or rice milk in it...but I'd be cautious about trying it and it's probably pretty expensive to be giving to cats...

The whole "saucer of cream/milk" for the cat thing is a ridiculous notion, I don't even know whose idea it ever was, but it was not a good one! Especially if you are the one that has to clean the litter box!

For ferals, I'd just give dry food and water if anything. I mean, the point of feeding feral cats is to supplement the diet of wild-caught prey (which ought to give them enough moisture all on its own, if they weren't eating dry food too.)


For the OP, I definitely suggest the 3 oz cans, and mix up your rotation with the more expensive and cheaper kinds. But with the cheaper ones, stick to pate types with chicken or turkey if you can. The gravy varieties of like Fancy Feast and such are rather too high in carbs. I don't recommend dry food with or without water, unless it is being given just because it's superior to starvation, like to feral cats or shelter cats. I see it as the "ramen noodle" of cat food...cheap and better than nothing at all.

Definitely do not spend money on "premium" dry food. You're better off with the cheapest of the cans...

Also you can safely leave wet food out for hours. It's OK. Usually it looks dry to you, but it's only the top layer that is dried out. I leave wet food out for up to 8 hours at a time, and Nimbus still munches on it, it doesn't hurt him any.
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Old 11-02-2014, 06:23 PM
 
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We have a male cat with urinary issues and have had a terrible time converting him to canned food. Nothing has worked thus far, so we feed Hill's C/D dry (he loves that) but won't touch it with water on it. I've taken to mixing a little bit of tuna with warm water to get extra liquid into him and he usually enjoys that.
Interestingly, my daughter's male cat also developed urinary crystals and the cat specialist vet she took him to, told her that they have seen an enormous number of cats with crystal problems who are on Blue Buffalo/Blue Wilderness dry food in the past few years. They said they didn't know if the formula had been changed but it was a newer issue with what used to be a good cat food.
My cat and my daughters were both on Blue Wilderness when they had problems.
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Old 11-02-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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How I am getting more fluid in everybody (all the ferals outside)
is milk...please, no one tell me that is bad.

I would love for milk would to work because my cat loves it, but the vet told me that milk is high in magnesium and phosphorus...the very things that they need to avoid with crystals. And CatSip is supposed to be the same. If anyone knows differently I would love to know. It would be much easier to get liquid into my stubborn boy.
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:59 PM
 
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Try Sheba chicken or turkey pate. 50cents a 3 oz can at Walmart. It smells like people chicken and turkey, only gamier.
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