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I am curious as to how Lisa Pierson DVM's no additional degrees in nutrition and not even a board certified feline vet) opinion trumps my vet who is a board certified feline specialist.
And how Jean Hofve who is in partnership with a dude named JACKSON GALAXY to peddle voodoo homeopathic "Spirit Essences" online to the gullible trumps my vet.
You'll want to check and see what that "board certified feline vet" certification actually covers. Did your vet take special feline nutrition courses, (taught by professors NOT affiliated with any pet food companies)? Did your vet learn that dry fed cats live with low level chronic dehydration because, as strict obligate carnivores they cannot, can not, drink enough water to make up the moisture deficit in a dry diet?
Did this vet learn that all these diseases, obesity, diabetes, urinary tract disorders, IBD disorders are almost all related to a dry diet?
I learned the hard way that "Board Certified feline vet specialist" means nothing, really, regarding vet competence or knowledge.
(Dr Hofve has been around a lot longer that Jackson Galaxy. If they want to make some income from selling Spirit Essences, well, free enterprise is allowed in this country. Not relevant to feline nutrition, really)
Bottom line: cats are strict obligate carnivores. It takes no certification or degree to understand what that means. A little reading is all that is needed.
Most people who argue in favor of dry feeding claim proudly that "all their cats have always been fed dry and have been fine". Well, what I see is people who have no idea what it means to have thriving cats, because they've "always fed dry". They have no basis for comparison.
Those of us who have made these changes in our cats' diets have seen the difference. And that is why we continue to post about it. We want ALL cats to have the best quality of life they can. Getting rid of the dry goes a long way toward that goal, for any cat.
I am sure that Dr Pierson and Dr Hofve will be happy to share their credentials with you, if you ask them nicely.
You'll want to check and see what that "board certified feline vet" certification actually covers. Did your vet take special feline nutrition courses, (taught by professors NOT affiliated with any pet food companies)? Did your vet learn that dry fed cats live with low level chronic dehydration because, as strict obligate carnivores they cannot, can not, drink enough water to make up the moisture deficit in a dry diet?
Did this vet learn that all these diseases, obesity, diabetes, urinary tract disorders, IBD disorders are almost all related to a dry diet?
I learned the hard way that "Board Certified feline vet specialist" means nothing, really, regarding vet competence or knowledge.
(Dr Hofve has been around a lot longer that Jackson Galaxy. If they want to make some income from selling Spirit Essences, well, free enterprise is allowed in this country. Not relevant to feline nutrition, really)
Bottom line: cats are strict obligate carnivores. It takes no certification or degree to understand what that means. A little reading is all that is needed.
Most people who argue in favor of dry feeding claim proudly that "all their cats have always been fed dry and have been fine". Well, what I see is people who have no idea what it means to have thriving cats, because they've "always fed dry". They have no basis for comparison.
Those of us who have made these changes in our cats' diets have seen the difference. And that is why we continue to post about it. We want ALL cats to have the best quality of life they can. Getting rid of the dry goes a long way toward that goal, for any cat.
I am sure that Dr Pierson and Dr Hofve will be happy to share their credentials with you, if you ask them nicely.
LOL...I feel certain that if either Pierson or Hofve had further credentials they would waste no time in posting them. One does wonder if their homeopathic remedies were so effective nutrionally, why Mr. Galaxy had to finally go to alleopathic surgery to help him lose some of the 400 (!!) pounds that he couldnt seem to shed through his woo.
I'm curious though. Since you are so suspicious of what my feline specialist's credentials are, where is your skepticism about Pierson's and Hofve's? Because what it looks like is that you look for sources to confirm your vast bias. If you want great credentials, go to Petdiets.com and look at the CV of the vet there.
Of course, like most zealots, you will then question her loyalties, education etc. And you are more than free to do so and be as rabid in your viewpoints as possible with the rest of your NO DRY FOOD posse.
And what you all are saying is that YOU know better than my vets. Which I find laughable. I call batpuckey that you even have a basis on which to judge whether vets get enough nutrition training.
And I have more to do than sit online and answer the silly, anti-vaxxer like nonsense that your ilk can spew, so I'll go silent after this post and simply let you be wrong.
Please, at least try something with lamb in it. My vet always recommends lamb for tummy upset, and she has additional certifications in feline nutrition, holistic, homeopathic, and traditional vet services.
Here are two lamb canned, grain free foods to try: Pride by Instinct Lucky's Lamb recipe in a flaked texture and Pride by Instinct Lovebug's Lamb in a minced texture.
LOL...I feel certain that if either Pierson or Hofve had further credentials they would waste no time in posting them. One does wonder if their homeopathic remedies were so effective nutrionally, why Mr. Galaxy had to finally go to alleopathic surgery to help him lose some of the 400 (!!) pounds that he couldnt seem to shed through his woo.
I'm curious though. Since you are so suspicious of what my feline specialist's credentials are, where is your skepticism about Pierson's and Hofve's? Because what it looks like is that you look for sources to confirm your vast bias. If you want great credentials, go to Petdiets.com and look at the CV of the vet there.
Of course, like most zealots, you will then question her loyalties, education etc. And you are more than free to do so and be as rabid in your viewpoints as possible with the rest of your NO DRY FOOD posse.
And what you all are saying is that YOU know better than my vets. Which I find laughable. I call batpuckey that you even have a basis on which to judge whether vets get enough nutrition training.
And I have more to do than sit online and answer the silly, anti-vaxxer like nonsense that your ilk can spew, so I'll go silent after this post and simply let you be wrong.
Yeah, the lengths people will go to avoid admitting they might have made a mistake about something. Saying "I was wrong" is difficult for some people.
I am not afraid to admit I made a mistake. Back in 1986 I had a male cat block. The vet told me I must never ever feed my male cat, or any cat, dry food ever again, that they needed the moisture from the canned food.
That was 30 years ago! So I didn't. Until I rescued a young adult female cat from a shelter in 2005 and was told she had "FLUTD" and HAD to eat this "prescription" dry crap.
It didn't make sense to me really, dry food for a cat with urinary tract issues? Back in '86 I was told cats needed moisture for UT issues. But..they didn't have this "special" food then, so maybe it was okay. I had vets telling me to keep her on it. They must be right. I tried getting her on canned foods (I was feeding Fancy Feast classics by then) but the vet kept telling me her pH was going up and I had to keep her on the corn-in-a-bag.
6 years later and she was puking her food daily, or even multiple times a day, she was constipated, her coat was dull and the shedding was unbelievable. She was only 8 by then but she rarely played any more.
This was well beyond the melamine poisoning, which was when I really started paying attention and learning about feline nutrition and cat food in general. I learned what to avoid and improved the other cats' diets.
However, even then, after all the reading I was doing, I still had that one cat on that corn-in-a-bag "prescription" diet. The other cats, as always, had been and were still on a wet diet. I had a lot of people telling me I should get her off that food, that it was harmful to her. But I thought I was right. I wasn't. I was wrong as I could be.
I decided enough was enough and took my "FLUTD" cat off the dry crap, much to my vet's dismay. First she was on a canned diet but I soon discovered the damage to her digestive system was so bad, that there were very few foods she could eat. 6 months of trial and error, and I had her doing pretty well, the regurgitation episodes were way reduced, she was playing again, no more constipation, but it wasn't enough, and since I was still reading and learning, I eventually I turned to raw.
Sadly, her system is so damaged, she will always have trouble. But now she is 12 years old with a soft silky shiny coat, she plays all the time, she's as active as the 6 year old, and though I still feel a lot of guilt over feeding her that junk for so long, I also feel so grateful to the people who helped me get her off it.
One of the biggest problems cats face is that vets think a cat vomiting is "normal". They are so used to dry fed pets, that they hear people asking about hairballs and regurgitation and, since they hear it all the time, they've come to believe it's part of owning a cat, they tell the worried pet owner "it's normal all cats do it".
It is NOT normal. And it is very detrimental to a cat's health to be puking all the time like that. Bad for every system in their little bodies.
I've read hundreds of happy posts from people who have switched to wet and discovered the joys of softer fur, fewer (or none) hairballs, no more "accidents" outside the box, no more "UTIs" and a cat(s) who has a lot more energy and a much happier all around demeanor.
Nancy Thereader, please remove catsmom21 replies to this thread. I have asked now several times to keep the discussion on topic and she is clearly using this thread to voice her personal opinions on dry vs. cat food here for some reason which has NOTHING to do with this topic.
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Originally Posted by catsmom21
You'll want to check and see what that "board certified feline vet" certification actually covers. Did your vet take special feline nutrition courses, (taught by professors NOT affiliated with any pet food companies)? Did your vet learn that dry fed cats live with low level chronic dehydration because, as strict obligate carnivores they cannot, can not, drink enough water to make up the moisture deficit in a dry diet?
Did this vet learn that all these diseases, obesity, diabetes, urinary tract disorders, IBD disorders are almost all related to a dry diet?
I learned the hard way that "Board Certified feline vet specialist" means nothing, really, regarding vet competence or knowledge.
(Dr Hofve has been around a lot longer that Jackson Galaxy. If they want to make some income from selling Spirit Essences, well, free enterprise is allowed in this country. Not relevant to feline nutrition, really)
Bottom line: cats are strict obligate carnivores. It takes no certification or degree to understand what that means. A little reading is all that is needed.
Most people who argue in favor of dry feeding claim proudly that "all their cats have always been fed dry and have been fine". Well, what I see is people who have no idea what it means to have thriving cats, because they've "always fed dry". They have no basis for comparison.
Those of us who have made these changes in our cats' diets have seen the difference. And that is why we continue to post about it. We want ALL cats to have the best quality of life they can. Getting rid of the dry goes a long way toward that goal, for any cat.
I am sure that Dr Pierson and Dr Hofve will be happy to share their credentials with you, if you ask them nicely.
You've said this multiple times to multiple people. No one has gone off topic or hijacked your thread. Hundreds of people lurk this forum and don't reply. I'm replying for the people who are lurking but may not know dry food is bad for cats. If you have a problem with it then talk to a moderator, but it's the truth.
Dry food is ONLY good for the human, period. It's easy to put out a bowl and refill it when it's empty. Wet food takes work and smells bad. You aren't looking to change your mind, but some folks reading this might not know dry food is bad for cats. I don't mean any disrespect to you, but I can't sit back and not comment. I've learned everything I know about cats thanks to this website. I lurked for a while before posting.
Sorry for "hijacking" lol
While I agree substantively with what your saying I see the OP's point as well. For example, I could post on the health forum on a thread about high cholesterol and show clear and convincing evidence that vegans have by far the healthiest cholesterol levels of any diet but if the person refuses to entertain the idea of giving up meat and explicitly states it in the OP, then there's no point in going back and forth. The information is out there and easily accessible and people will make their own decisions. The OP has been made aware of the information out there and dry is the only option they're willing to take.
While I agree substantively with what your saying I see the OP's point as well. For example, I could post on the health forum on a thread about high cholesterol and show clear and convincing evidence that vegans have by far the healthiest cholesterol levels of any diet but if the person refuses to entertain the idea of giving up meat and explicitly states it in the OP, then there's no point in going back and forth. The information is out there and easily accessible and people will make their own decisions. The OP has been made aware of the information out there and dry is the only option they're willing to take.
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