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Old 09-01-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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We will have to disagree. Not to mention the fact that the only way my vet will take blood is by putting my cat out. Which I think clearly will do him harm unless there are long breaks in-between. So if there was no harm to it, fine. But there is. I have literally tried everything... my cat does not respond to rescue remedy or feilway. Last time we had a terrible situation where the drug gave me a drug gabatain (sp) to put him out and it didn't work and then we couldn't sedate him.

Urine is easy for me to get and it does give me some ideas as to what might be going on with him.
Then get rid of the dry food completely. It may be too late, the damage to the kidneys from a dry diet is cumulative,, as I said before. But you can help slow the progression of any damage already done, and prevent further damage, by getting rid of all dry, now.

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Old 09-01-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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Then get rid of the dry food completely. It may be too late, the damage to the kidneys from a dry diet is cumulative,, as I said before. But you can help slow the progression of any damage already done, and prevent further damage, by getting rid of all dry, now.
Can you provide me with some evidence of this? Maybe you would convince me.

As I have said before, now several times, my cat has a wet diet. He gets 2 cans of earthborn wet with added water and approximately a handful of dry KD or three other foods as a "snack / treat" Far from a "dry diet". If I were to guess I would say he gets 10 to 15 pieces of kibble.
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Old 09-01-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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As I mentioned before, one thing which worked to reverse approaching kidney disease in my cat besides his raw diet (he was 16 at the time) were kidney glandulars. I have the blood test results before and after to prove it and one of these days I will have to post about it on YouTube..
Would you have a product to recommend?
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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Just as I thought. There is nothing in there that says "dry food as a snack" when you feed your cat sufficient water is dangerous. I am well aware that my cat needs water and as I mentioned I give him water plenty of it. I can state without concern that he gets a lot of water. And I can be sure of that as I give him his water in his food. So I know he consumes it.

All of those links talk about an exclusively dry diet. Agreed that an exclusively dry diet is the cause of kidney failure. Dry food per se is not. Unless you have a link that ANY dry food... eaten, even in a situation where the cat gets plenty of water, will cause or contribute to kidney failure.
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:28 AM
 
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Just as I thought. There is nothing in there that says "dry food as a snack" when you feed your cat sufficient water is dangerous. I am well aware that my cat needs water and as I mentioned I give him water plenty of it. I can state without concern that he gets a lot of water. And I can be sure of that as I give him his water in his food. So I know he consumes it.

All of those links talk about an exclusively dry diet. Agreed that an exclusively dry diet is the cause of kidney failure. Dry food per se is not. Unless you have a link that ANY dry food... eaten, even in a situation where the cat gets plenty of water, will cause or contribute to kidney failure.
Granted, an all dry diet is going to be much worse than a partial dry diet. But it's not just the lack of moisture that is wrong with dry pet feed.

You are forgetting about the other problems with kibble. The high carb triple processed junk food is bad for his digestion, bad for his teeth, bad for his urinary tract, bad for his blood sugar, bad for his motility, bad for his bowels..

Why are you so addicted to feeding kibble to your cat, when you know how bad it is for him? There are plenty of other, better for him, "snacks" that you could give. Freeze dried pure proteins such as made by PureBites or Whole Life for instance. There are a number of brands to choose from. Pure proteins that are nothing but the meat named. None of that other bad-for-the-cat junk in them.

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Old 09-02-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Why are you so addicted to feeding kibble to your cat, when you know how bad it is for him? There are plenty of other, better for him, "snacks" that you could give. Freeze dried pure proteins such as made by PureBites or Whole Life for instance. There are a number of brands to choose from. Pure proteins that are nothing but the meat named. None of that other bad-for-the-cat junk in them.
Why are you so obsessed with making people life like you want? So bad that you will openly lie and state your view as if it is fact. It isn't. I will stick with what I think it is best for my cat.
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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Why are you so obsessed with making people life like you want? So bad that you will openly lie and state your view as if it is fact. It isn't. I will stick with what I think it is best for my cat.
My obsession stems from hating the idea of cats suffering from being fed kibble, when they could have a much higher quality of life without it.

What lie is that? That kibble is bad for cats? That's not a lie. It's fact. Cats are strict obligate carnivores. This means they are meant to eat a diet high in meat, fat from meat sources and moisture. Not corn and fillers and carbohydrates. That isn't opinion, it is fact.

But you go right ahead and allow yourself to believe all the marketing and the uneducated clueless vets. You won't be the first. I, too, once felt that way. Fortunately, for my cats, once the 2007 melamine poisoning happened, I started learning about feline nutrition and the disgraceful lack of ethics and accountability in pet food manufacturing (talk about lying. Yeah. Do some reading you want to read about lying).

I'm still learning. (I need to add that I already knew that cats need a wet diet. In 1985 I had a male cat who blocked. This was before those crap "prescription diets" were pushed on people so much. Perhaps vets actually learned about nutrition then, instead of being "taught" by pet food companies. The vet I saw then was years ahead of his time when he told me I must never ever feed a cat dry food. They need a wet diet to thrive. It didn't take long after I switched to find out he was right.)

Someday, if you spend some time actually reading the information I provided, and even venture out to researching more on your own (Truth About Pet Food might be a good place for you to visit, Pet Fooled might be a good documentary for you to watch), you might learn too. Then perhaps you will understand my passion.
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:11 PM
 
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My obsession stems from hating the idea of cats suffering from being fed kibble, when they could have a much higher quality of life without it.
Something I didn't think in time to add to this sentence. As well as wanting all cats to have a better quality of life by having better diets, I would like to see the end of these pet food manufacturers making vast profits at the expense of our pets' health and well being. So much suffering is happening because of these garbage so called "foods".

So there is the complete answer to your "why".
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