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Old 12-11-2010, 12:55 PM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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You didn't have to. I just did it for you. Cruise's actions? a) Going off about Brooke Sheild's post-partum depression. b) Going off on Matt Lauer on the Today show. Just to name a couple that I've seen. I'm sure there are many more, I would think. I doubt I would be able to be friends of Scientologists just like Witnesses. They just are too "different" in their thinking. BTW, my in-laws are Witnesses so I know how "different" thinking they can be. I choose not to be involved.
Thats pretty sad right there. Hope that you dont have any children and are passing along this "hate" to them. Still, you havent said anything about Travolta's actions that made you dislike him other than his faith. I am dear friends with Buddhists, Witnesses, Scientologists, Jews, Muslim, etc. and am just unable to hate a person just because of his/her religion/faith. I dont like how a couple of Muslim guys hijacked planes on 9-11 but I am smart enough to know that not all people of that faith are that way. And smart enough not to go around saying that I dislike people of a faith based on one, two or three individuals actions.

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Old 12-11-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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You didn't have to. I just did it for you. Cruise's actions? a) Going off about Brooke Sheild's post-partum depression. b) Going off on Matt Lauer on the Today show. Just to name a couple that I've seen. I'm sure there are many more, I would think. I doubt I would be able to be friends of Scientologists just like Witnesses. They just are too "different" in their thinking. BTW, my in-laws are Witnesses so I know how "different" thinking they can be. I choose not to be involved.
Wasnt the Matt Lauer incident and the Brooke incident the same thing?
And he apologized and personally visited Brooke, A well publicized meeting where he admitted being wrong and asked forgiveness.
Though certainly not a Cruise fan, I really dont know anything he has done wrong. Well,except for his overacting

I like living here in America,,freedom of Religion.
 
Old 12-11-2010, 03:17 PM
 
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We have all heard these rumors for years, But good old Carrie is as blunt as a sledge hammer. I wonder if his Scientology team of lawyers will swoop in.
Carrie and John have been friends for years and I do agree with what she says- No one will care, why cant he be honest about it?

[url=http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/12/everyone-knows-john-travolta-gay-says-carrie-fisher]Everyone Knows John Travolta Is Gay, Says Carrie Fisher | Radar Online[/url]
Because he's a creepy closet case and a Scientologist. And Scientology, though they sort of try to have it both ways, are not very gay friendly. They claim to not have anything against gay people, but the writings of L. Ron Hubbard are very clear. He said in print that gay people were dangerous and should be locked up. Here are direct quotes from L.Ron Hubbard's writings:

"The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in Dynamic II [i.e. sexuality] such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc., and all down the catalog of [URL="http://www.city-data.com/wiki/Havelock_Ellis"]Ellis[/URL] and [URL="http://www.city-data.com/wiki/Richard_Freiherr_von_Krafft-Ebing"]Krafft-Ebing[/URL]) is actually quite ill physically... he is very far from culpable for his condition, but he is also far from normal and extremely dangerous to society..."Scientologists try to say they're not anti-gay, yet they supported Proposition 8 in California. Pretty odd that there are actually gay scientologists, huh? Self-hatred is a very sad thing.
 
Old 12-11-2010, 03:19 PM
 
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Yes indeed, and freedom of religion means freedom from religion, which means the freedom to criticize religion when you disagree. See how that works? It cuts both ways.
 
Old 12-11-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Hoping to settle down.
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Thats pretty sad right there. Hope that you dont have any children and are passing along this "hate" to them. Still, you havent said anything about Travolta's actions that made you dislike him other than his faith. I am dear friends with Buddhists, Witnesses, Scientologists, Jews, Muslim, etc. and am just unable to hate a person just because of his/her religion/faith. I dont like how a couple of Muslim guys hijacked planes on 9-11 but I am smart enough to know that not all people of that faith are that way. And smart enough not to go around saying that I dislike people of a faith based on one, two or three individuals actions.

Now, now, no need to start in with the personal BS. Re-read my other post, I addressed the "actions". I am smart enough to know the difference between cyberspace and "real" life. I act accordingly with each. See, here in cyberspce I can voice what I must hide in the real world so as not to offend others. Here, I don't care too much if I ruffle some feathers. Each to their own. You don't like it, fine, you are entitled to not like what I say. Same here. I don't like having to be phoney out in real life but I must play by the rules PC people have created for everyone. I have lost my rights.

BTW, I used to be a bleeding heart liberal in my younger years so no "damage" was done to my kids' minds. LOL Mother sure can make 'em cringe now though! Now be done with me, this is the celebs section.




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Wasnt the Matt Lauer incident and the Brooke incident the same thing?
And he apologized and personally visited Brooke, A well publicized meeting where he admitted being wrong and asked forgiveness.
Though certainly not a Cruise fan, I really dont know anything he has done wrong. Well,except for his overacting

I like living here in America,,freedom of Religion.
And supposedly freedom of speech too. Riiiight.
 
Old 12-11-2010, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Hoping to settle down.
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Yes indeed, and freedom of religion means freedom from religion, which means the freedom to criticize religion when you disagree. See how that works? It cuts both ways.

TY, kk, I see there is a cool head around here and who understands that the door swings both ways.
 
Old 12-11-2010, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Hoping to settle down.
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Because he's a creepy closet case and a Scientologist. And Scientology, though they sort of try to have it both ways, are not very gay friendly. They claim to not have anything against gay people, but the writings of L. Ron Hubbard are very clear. He said in print that gay people were dangerous and should be locked up. Here are direct quotes from L.Ron Hubbard's writings:

"The sexual pervert (and by this term Dianetics, to be brief, includes any and all forms of deviation in Dynamic II [i.e. sexuality] such as homosexuality, lesbianism, sexual sadism, etc., and all down the catalog of Ellis and Krafft-Ebing) is actually quite ill physically... he is very far from culpable for his condition, but he is also far from normal and extremely dangerous to society..."Scientologists try to say they're not anti-gay, yet they supported Proposition 8 in California. Pretty odd that there are actually gay scientologists, huh? Self-hatred is a very sad thing.

 
Old 12-11-2010, 05:27 PM
 
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Yes indeed, and freedom of religion means freedom from religion, which means the freedom to criticize religion when you disagree. See how that works? It cuts both ways.
But of COURSE we can criticize or disagree. OF COURSE. Who on here said it doesnt "cut both ways"? Did I miss something?
Thats why we are chatting on a public forum.

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Old 12-11-2010, 05:43 PM
 
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And supposedly freedom of speech too. Riiiight.[/color]
Well SURE. We are all practicing that on this thread,,,oui?
 
Old 12-11-2010, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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You didn't have to. I just did it for you. Cruise's actions? a) Going off about Brooke Sheild's post-partum depression. b) Going off on Matt Lauer on the Today show. Just to name a couple that I've seen. I'm sure there are many more, I would think. I doubt I would be able to be friends of Scientologists just like Witnesses. They just are too "different" in their thinking. BTW, my in-laws are Witnesses so I know how "different" thinking they can be. I choose not to be involved.
LOL--"Going off" on Matt Lauer? Please, all Tom did was disagree with him and tell Lauer that he didn't know the history of psychology like he did. Cruise was merely espousing his strong, personal beliefs about his faith. Something that I'm pretty sure are given to us via the !st Ammendment. Also, Cruise has undoubtedly known women in his Scientology group who have overcome such psychological maladies as PPD, thus he was only trying to relate these experiences and perhaps prevent Shields from having to rely on medication, which always has side-effects and is usually over-prescribed by shrinks anyway, since it's easier to toss drugs at people than to take the time and effort to help them with therapy.
If Cruise ain't your cup of tea, cool. But let's not accuse him of things he didn't do.
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