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Old 07-10-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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...or something like that, having recently made a statement that he considers himself "lucky enough to have found love with a civilian [emphasis mine]." Interestingly, the statement was discussed ad nauseum by a roundtable of journalists this morning, all pontificating on the advantages of celebs marrying "civilians," and no one thinking it was more than a bit odd for a civilian to...well...think of hmself as current or past member of the military.

Memo to Matt: I know you Hollywood people get all wrapped up in the roles you play (consider Martin Sheen, who often sounds like he thinks he really was president), but you're not now nor have you ever been a private in the U.S. military.

In other words, your wife, too, married a civilian.
I am former Military, US Army, a Veteran. It's not just exclusive to the Military. In the service industry, bartenders and waitstaff have began referring to daywalkers or non-service industry types as civilians. During my time as an Actor, towards the end of it, I started hearing other actors refer to non-artists or non-actors as civilians. It's just industry jargon to differentiate between those in that industry and those not.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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At one time in Hollywood, a great many actors, writers, and directors had spent some time in the military. They made good realistic military/war movies because they had served. However, sometime during the Vietnam era, Hollywood began turning away or turning against the US Military. Today's Hollywood merely gives "lip service" towards the military, but their movies show their true feelings towards the military. A pass can be given towards comedies for lack of accuracy as long as the comedy is not being made to insult the military people as a whole.

As to the topic, it's a symptom of myopia or elitism. They live in a world walled off from the rest of society and so they feel as if they're royalty while the rest of us are mere commoners or "civilians". When military use the term civilians, we use the term in a technical sense. In combat, there are the enemy/soldiers or they're civilians. Civilians are also what many in the military look forward to becoming again so it's not a belittling term. The way he used it wasn't like a military person speaking about civilians, it was the way an elitist speaks of being with the little people while sitting high up on the hill looking down at the rest of us.

So you think those old war movies were more realistic than Platoon or Saving Private Ryan? Non vets like Errol Flynn or John Wayne?

There is nothing about elitism in his statement. Saying he was lucky to find someone in another line of work does in no way make his line of work or the people in it "royal" and he said nothing of the kind. How did you even get that from his statement. And nowhere do I see the word "commoner."
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Way up high
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He's referring to marrying a non actress. Why are your panties in such a bunch???
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:00 PM
 
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Life must be rough when this gets you wired up.
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:07 AM
 
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So you think those old war movies were more realistic than Platoon or Saving Private Ryan? Non vets like Errol Flynn or John Wayne?

There is nothing about elitism in his statement. Saying he was lucky to find someone in another line of work does in no way make his line of work or the people in it "royal" and he said nothing of the kind. How did you even get that from his statement. And nowhere do I see the word "commoner."
The average military movies of the past WW2 generation got the military life correct for the time period without showing the gory bloody scenes. The technology wasn't available then to do the things shown in Platoon or Saving Private Ryan. I agree, those two were very historically accurate. Two good examples of the great many military movies made from the 1970s to today doesn't dismiss my point. People in the military give a pass to comedies.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:15 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Garden State
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LOL it was only a matter of time before someone breathlessly surfed the web to find yet another example of how a word has... evolved to mean something it never did mean in common parlance. I think most of us all know the correct and preferred usage of the word "civilian." The larger point is that Damon's referring to his wife as a "civilian" tells us much more about how he views himself than how he views his wife.

Perhaps the word he was looking for is "commoner," which is (or used to be) the opposite of...royalty.
Perhaps he learned this at Harvard er - Hahvaahd.

Anyway, I've heard the word "civilian" used many times in a non-military way. For example, I'll see a baseball player in his "regular" clothes and say "I didn't recognize him in civilian clothes!"

He was probably referring to his wife as not being in "the business." Actually, I doubt that he was being totally serious. He seems to have a good sense of humor. He's a good actor and a good writer. Smart, too.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:37 AM
 
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Many people think John Wayne was in the military because of the all the heroic military roles he played, but in actuality, John Wayne was never in the military
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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Why does it matter? The military does not own the term "civillian", it is used in other industries including the movie business. Damon is a really down to earth good guy, and he was just referring to being thankful he found someone who is not in that crazy business like he is.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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I think this is an interesting discussion but I honestly don't think Damon meant anything by the comment....JMO. I normally have heard it in reference to the military/non military but I don't really get too conspiratorial.

I liked the John Wayne war movies and I knew he didn't serve. They were entertainment. I don't think tom Hanks served in the military prior to making Saving Private Ryan,
which I thought was terrible miscasting. I didn't think he had the right gravitas for his part. Again, JMO. I could never get past my memories of "Big" or "Forrest Gump".
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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If you're an actor who was, say, an infantryman in the Army at one time and you're playing the part of an infantryman, I would imagine you wouldn't have to really research the role as much. Plus you bring a lot of credibility to the part.

Of course, I realize that's pretty rare to nonexistent these days.
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