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Old 08-08-2014, 05:38 PM
 
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I adore Tom Petty, and I'm glad he did this. Now I just need to listen to the new album!
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:54 PM
 
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If there were a requirement that a whistle blower or someone expressing disapproval of horrendous actions had to be perfect before doing so, then these things would never be opposed or stopped.

You mention celeb parties and that you bet he has some first hand knowledge, etc. You failed to specify a specific thing he has done wrong and failed to answer my question. Furthermore, there is almost always plenty of media coverage when rock stars or actors have drug issues or commit violence. Robert Downey Jr's drug problems and Lindsey Lohan's myriad array of legal/ethical issues were covered in great detail by the media. The Tommy Lee abuse of Pamela Anderson got significant media coverage and so have Phil Spector's even worse crimes. While there are always going to be some that will get away with it, they are seldom "let off the hook" and that is as it should be. It is easy to find these stories and they are definitely not swept under the rug.

If you think the music industry has been successful in keeping its peccadillos quiet, you just have not used "Google" enough and don't watch the news! The media is all over it. LOL!

The entertainment industry, aside from some of their support for some charities which is admirable, does not claim to be a moral example for people like Catholic priests do. So there is the hypocrisy and trust issue, too; especially when people are treated worse for a divorce than is an authority figure for molesting a child repeatedly.

So my suggestion is please realize these people were abused by priests when they were very young children. We are talking about children 10 or under in many cases abused by priests and not a 17 year old groupie backstage after a rock concert. Most likely the second one is a one time only instance as these bands travel to different cities while touring, where as those abused by the priests were repeated. The priests were also religious authority figures for the children, unlike the rock stars. Neither passes "morality muster", but it is obvious which is worse. It is also obvious which one is an actual crime! Plus we as a society generally hold priests to a higher standard than rock stars, but in the case of abusive priests, they were worse. Priorities!

So if priests are covering up for other priests (as you agreed in your last comment), it goes without saying that other people have to get involved in exposing it, denouncing it, and eliminating it. I don't have serious hangups about who does that. We do agree about the "keeping quiet" part being a problem, but the silence was far more evident for the priests for a long time (until recently) than it has been for most celebrities/entertainers. Furthermore, some of these celebrities willingly volunteer that they are in drug rehab, etc, while the priests that were protected by the church keep their issues secret as long as possible.

This is a link to a trailer for a documentary that may help you change your mind about Tom Petty's song regarding this matter. I think the reason he and others have not sung the same song about celeb/rock star parties, drugs, etc, is that there are already a hundred or so reporters getting us all that information already and often right after it happens. That information has been public knowledge for quite awhile and it almost always involves other adults and rarely children.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OCz55k0pdc.com
I don't think some media reporting absolves anyone of reporting on their own.
Its really easy for people to uncover and report on some other tribe's problems. Much harder to whistle blow on your own. You risk being thrown out of the circle. Labeled a traitor.

My point is that if priests had reported on priests the problem would not have gone on so long (hopefully) and/or been much smaller with fewer children affected. The inner circle needs to report to really get to the heart of it.
The media isn't the inner circle. They are only getting the most obvious from police reports.
Tom Petty is in an inner circle. He is in a position to do something about problems within that circle. They may not be children but I'll bet a lot of the girls (and boys) are underage.
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:15 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Don’t look for Tom Petty at the communion rail any time soon. The rocker doesn’t have a reputation for being a political activist in his music, but with a song set to be released next week, “Playing Dumb,” he implicitly takes on the Catholic Church for “covering up” the clergy sex abuse scandals, according to a new cover story in Billboard.

https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/music-...203906946.html

This Fordham grad is delighted to see Petty air this long overdue dirty laundry.
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Old 08-12-2014, 07:33 PM
 
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Tom Petty is an arse.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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I don't think some media reporting absolves anyone of reporting on their own.
Its really easy for people to uncover and report on some other tribe's problems. Much harder to whistle blow on your own. You risk being thrown out of the circle. Labeled a traitor.

My point is that if priests had reported on priests the problem would not have gone on so long (hopefully) and/or been much smaller with fewer children affected. The inner circle needs to report to really get to the heart of it.
The media isn't the inner circle. They are only getting the most obvious from police reports.
Tom Petty is in an inner circle. He is in a position to do something about problems within that circle. They may not be children but I'll bet a lot of the girls (and boys) are underage.
Each person has to choose their priorities. For some that will be rock groups on tour that have a one time consensual tryst with young groupie fans. For me, the priority is stopping the cover up of repeated sexual abuse of children by revered authority figures...in this instance, priests and bringing justice on behalf of the victims.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:24 AM
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Tom Petty is in an inner circle. He is in a position to do something about problems within that circle.
He has done that. He was on record about Howie Epstein's (his former basss player) drug problems prior to, and after, Epstein's death. I'm not sure what exactly he was supposed to "do" about it but he was certainly not trying to cover it up.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Summit, NJ
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As someone who has been on tour forever with multiple bands, invited to celeb parties etc. I bet he has first hand knowledge of back stage party antics, big name celeb party antics that do not pass morality muster. Just because they are rock stars or big name actors does not let them off my hook. As a rocker/celeb he could make a difference because he has credibility in that industry. Underage girls/boys, drugs. The entertainment industry acts like porn is just some big joke.

So my suggestion is why doesn't he write a song about that?
He did write the song "Joe" from the standpoint of a music industry executive.

Unfortunately, the song is just terrible, so crass and obvious:

Quote:
My name's Joe, I'm the CEO
Yeah I'm the man makes the big wheels roll
I'm the hand on the green-light switch
You get to be famous, I get to be rich

Go get me a kid with a good lookin' face
Bring me a kid can remember his place
Some hungry poet son-of-a-*****
He gets to be famous, I get to be rich

Or bring me a girl
They're always the best
You put 'em on stage and you have 'em undress
Some angel ***** who can learn a guitar lick
Hey! Now that's what I call music!
Most of Petty's explicitly political songs are his worst, IMO. See "The Last DJ," "Money Becomes King."
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Old 08-20-2014, 06:01 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I think the Catholic Church has a lot to do on this score, hopefully the new Pope will be able to get something done.

That said, I do think that the music and Hollywood scene has its own secret dirty underbelly regarding sex, party sex, drugs and young party girls. Maybe he should stick to trying to clean up his own backyard.
As long as the people involved are consenting adults there's simply no comparison to priests preying on juveniles and the ensuing cover-up.
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Old 08-20-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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A very important point since it is an absolute and egregious assault on trust. I can see why Mr. Petty needed to express his outrage towards the Catholic Church, a church now trying to deal with the consequences of losing that trust. I think it will rebound but there's a lot of hard work that needs to be done to get that trust back.

But to Mr. Petty's song, in a way I thought his 'Learning to Fly' obliquely referred to the trials that the Church is dealing with. In a sense, she is getting to know that 'comin' down is the hardest thing'. The rocks have melted and the question is whether the good old days will return for the Church. It looks like for sure she'll be 'learning to fly' once again.
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