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Old 01-31-2018, 06:31 PM
 
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Whatever this man allegedly did he arrived at a point where he couldn't face the future. My heart goes out to those who have nowhere to turn and finish up with no other alternative than to take their own life. Those on this thread who rejoice in this man's suicide sicken me . . .
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Old 01-31-2018, 06:59 PM
 
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You never answered my question. Do you disbelieve that mental illness can cause people to act against their nature? Is it not fair to suggest that mental illness can do that to anyone? That's lumping everyone together or discussing a phenomenon of the human condition?

How can you prove evil exists? I'm not saying it doesn't, but it strikes me as a religious concept. Not a religious person myself. If there is no evil, then perhaps deviations such as attraction to minors are a sickness that can be cured, not something inherent and irreversible.
Of course mental illness causes people to act out, but AGAIN you're grouping everyone together.

What does being religious or not religious have to do with knowing evil is out there? It doesn't.

Susan Smith the woman who drowned her two little boys because the man she was dating didn't want kids around is a perfect example of evil. It wasn't mental illness. She wanted the kids out of the way because of her new man.

She planned the whole thing and than tried to say a black man carjacked her(in the south of all places), she knew what she was doing. Even did her fake crying(no tears) on TV, but the cops were already on to her.

You're not too educated on the subject, if you think you have to be a bible thumper(I am far from that) to think there are evil people around.

No reason at all to bring religion into this, there are bad people out there who know exactly what they're doing, and no prescription or therapy is going to help them.
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Old 01-31-2018, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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How did he get caught exactly? Didnít someone turn him in? Which I take it means he would show someone that stuff? Guy obviously wasnít that bright, either.

I wanna say he pled innocence when this first went down claiming a setup.

Hmmm, a setup, ok. 50,000 imagesó nice try.

Rot.
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Old 01-31-2018, 08:08 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Why are you so dismissive? How am I grouping everyone together? Do you disbelieve that mental illness, if untreated, can drive people to do things against their nature?

I don't know if I believe evil exists. I know I don't want to believe evil exists, because that would mean there are people who cannot be helped because they are simply evil and irredeemable, I'm afraid. Idk why you're satisfied with that explanation--I really hope that pedophiles can be helped.

I think you are being dismissive of the suffering of the children who are used to satisfy this perversion.
This man had video of children as young as age 3 being sexually assaulted for his pleasure.

Mental illness like depression, schizophrenia, etc cause all sorts of havoc for the sufferers and their families but they don't involve the exploitation of innocents.
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Old 01-31-2018, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How did he get caught exactly? Didnít someone turn him in? Which I take it means he would show someone that stuff? Guy obviously wasnít that bright, either.

I wanna say he pled innocence when this first went down claiming a setup.

Hmmm, a setup, ok. 50,000 imagesó nice try.

Rot.
He was accused of rape by two different women, in 2011 and 2016. With the first one, he claimed that was a setup also. But she received a settlement award against him by the court. 2.7 million dollars. I don't think they would have awarded her all that money if they thought she was just making stuff up.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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He was accused of rape by two different women, in 2011 and 2016. With the first one, he claimed that was a setup also. But she received a settlement award against him by the court. 2.7 million dollars. I don't think they would have awarded her all that money if they thought she was just making stuff up.
Yeah, and guilty people donít settle. Bill Orielly has paid out like 30M+ yet expects us to believe heís innocent.
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Old 02-01-2018, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Whatever this man allegedly did he arrived at a point where he couldn't face the future. My heart goes out to those who have nowhere to turn and finish up with no other alternative than to take their own life. Those on this thread who rejoice in this man's suicide sicken me . . .
Do people who view child porn sicken you as well?

I have a hard time feeling sorry for sickos like this.
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Old 02-01-2018, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Yeah, and guilty [?] people donít settle. Bill Orielly has paid out like 30M+ yet expects us to believe heís innocent.
Do you mean innocent?
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Old 02-01-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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Whatever this man allegedly did he arrived at a point where he couldn't face the future. My heart goes out to those who have nowhere to turn and finish up with no other alternative than to take their own life. Those on this thread who rejoice in this man's suicide sicken me . . .


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Do people who view child porn sicken you as well?
In all honesty? I really don't often give the matter too much thought as it doesn't affect me personally. That might sound a tad callous but I've got enough going on in my own world without getting red in the face with hysteria over something that doesn't concern me and something that I can't do anything about even if I wanted to. How about you? Are you 'sickened' enough to take your particular crusade beyond this forum and actually do something about it? I'll bet not. Moreover, why is your professed concern over those who view kiddie porn? It isn't 'they' who are abusing the children. And, statistically speaking, such people are unlikely to ever actually abuse children anyway. They usually remain voyeurs. Why don't you and yours ask the question, "Where are the parents of these young kids that are being sexually abused?" Are their parents complicit in these photo-shoots?

Anyway, this thread is about a young man who committed suicide and that - and that alone - is what I responded to.


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I have a hard time feeling sorry for sickos like this.
Okay. But, I'm not sure why you're telling me, I don't know you and I really don't give a damn who you do and who you don't feel sorry for. Moreover, if someone is 'a sicko' (as in 'they are suffering from an illness of some description that is beyond their own ability to cure') then would it not be a good idea to focus on a remedy to assist such people to better handle this sickness rather than to wish them dead?
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Old 02-01-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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In all honesty? I really don't often give the matter too much thought as it doesn't affect me personally. That might sound a tad callous but I've got enough going on in my own world without getting red in the face with hysteria over something that doesn't concern me and something that I can't do anything about even if I wanted to. How about you? Are you 'sickened' enough to take your particular crusade beyond this forum and actually do something about it? I'll bet not. Moreover, why is your professed concern over those who view kiddie porn? It isn't 'they' who are abusing the children. And, statistically speaking, such people are unlikely to ever actually abuse children anyway. They usually remain voyeurs. Why don't you and yours ask the question, "Where are the parents of these young kids that are being sexually abused?" Are their parents complicit in these photo-shoots?

Anyway, this thread is about a young man who committed suicide and that - and that alone - is what I responded to.




Okay. But, I'm not sure why you're telling me, I don't know you and I really don't give a damn who you do and who you don't feel sorry for. Moreover, if someone is 'a sicko' (as in 'they are suffering from an illness of some description that is beyond their own ability to cure') then would it not be a good idea to focus on a remedy to assist such people to better handle this sickness rather than to wish them dead?
So let me get this straight. You don't get red in the face over children being victimized but you get all defensive over what happens to a child predator. You are not concerned with child abuse but you have pity for a child predator. Hmmmm....
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