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Old 05-12-2008, 02:12 PM
 
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If someone gives you a gun and says "kill me" and you do it, your a killer period. So what the young man was a willing participate, he was a butthead, but Nick was the idiot because he didn't have enough sense to say

"ok I know he's down with this, but I'm not ready to be the one whose responsible if something goes wrong".

Just because the passenger was a willing participant, doesn't relinquish Nick from being responsible for his injuries, simply because his injuries were a direct result of NICK'S decision making.


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That's the reason we have laws that punish you for doing something reckless like drag-racing.

However, that doesn't answer the question "What's the relevance of the supposed victim's injury when he was participating in the recklessness?"
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Old 05-12-2008, 02:13 PM
 
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Because it could have been someone that just happened to be there and not a partaker all together! He made the choice to drive that fast on a busy street without any consideration to everyone else around him. It could have easily been someone's child or any other bystander.

The Associated Press: Hulk Hogan's son sentenced to 8 months for crash
The legal system functions based upon actual events and not what could have happened. He was found guilty of reckless driving and sentenced.

Since the guy with him was a passenger and involved in the street racing then that would certainly be a mitigating factor since the guy knew what they were doing and willingly participated.

I'm not sure what additional charges you would like to see brought against him? Perhaps if the guy dies then manslaughter charges could be brought later.

P.S. There are videos of the accident on the web....seems like they were taping thier racing.
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Old 05-12-2008, 02:18 PM
 
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well one thousand I don't care if the passenger encouraged it or not. Nick Hogan was the driver and choose to participate in something that he knew was wrong in the first place. His passenger didn't hold a gun to his head to drag race did he? Very flawed logic on your part especially on shooting yourself with a loaded gun.
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Old 05-12-2008, 02:29 PM
 
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If someone gives you a gun and says "kill me" and you do it, your a killer period. So what the young man was a willing participate, he was a butthead, but Nick was the idiot because he didn't have enough sense to say

"ok I know he's down with this, but I'm not ready to be the one whose responsible if something goes wrong".

Just because the passenger was a willing participant, doesn't relinquish Nick from being responsible for his injuries, simply because his injuries were a direct result of NICK'S decision making.
That explains it: You don't respect the liberty of the injured kid. Fair enough.

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well one thousand I don't care if the passenger encouraged it or not. Nick Hogan was the driver and choose to participate in something that he knew was wrong in the first place. His passenger didn't hold a gun to his head to drag race did he? Very flawed logic on your part especially on shooting yourself with a loaded gun.
No need to get personal. Apparently, you guys have some patriarchal vision of government... You believe you have the right to infringe upon another's life. I don't care, I just wish you'd say "People can't think for themselves. They need people like me to protect them."

I find it a condescending attitude, but if you want to ignore the whole foundation of America for some left leaning utopic vision, who am I?
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Old 05-12-2008, 02:37 PM
 
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^ this has nothing to do with "left leaning utopic vision" but personal responsibility. What if Hogan was the one who was injured instead of his passenger? Would you be scapegoating him still in a similar fashion? Hogan was in charge of the vehicle not his passenger and for someone who professes "libertarian" values and personal responsibility you really are stretching this arguement into la la land.
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Old 05-12-2008, 03:36 PM
 
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^ this has nothing to do with "left leaning utopic vision" but personal responsibility. What if Hogan was the one who was injured instead of his passenger? Would you be scapegoating him still in a similar fashion? Hogan was in charge of the vehicle not his passenger and for someone who professes "libertarian" values and personal responsibility you really are stretching this arguement into la la land.
Again with getting personal... What's your problem, tiger?

You may not see it as left-leaning/utopic, but that's the direction your beliefs are heading.

I don't know where you get "scapegoating". Hogan deserves to be sentenced based on the crime he committed: drag racing. He doesn't deserve to get sentenced for the other. If Hogan's son was injured rather than the kid who was, the kid who was should get an accessory to drag-racing charge.

Hogan was in charge of the vehicle, and barring some evidence that the passenger was an unwilling participant, he chose to be in the vehicle and assumed all personal risks associated with that decision.

I just don't understand why you're so opposed to personal responsibility.
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Old 05-12-2008, 03:58 PM
 
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Dude calm down......let just agree to disagree 'kay?





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That explains it: You don't respect the liberty of the injured kid. Fair enough.



No need to get personal. Apparently, you guys have some patriarchal vision of government... You believe you have the right to infringe upon another's life. I don't care, I just wish you'd say "People can't think for themselves. They need people like me to protect them."

I find it a condescending attitude, but if you want to ignore the whole foundation of America for some left leaning utopic vision, who am I?
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Old 05-12-2008, 05:39 PM
 
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well onethousand, you must have been the perfect teen that never did anything wrong. peer pressure often trumps common sense among teens/young adults. so for you, one bad call in judgement=no sympathy whatsoever? now, I have little to no sympathy for Nick Hogan, a kid who's been arrested several times before for shouldn't have had his license in the first place


call me dumb/leftist/whatever, but even if the kid chose to get into that car, I still feel sympathy towards the fact that he's going to have a very rough life ahead of him. I still think Nick Hogan should have gotten a longer sentence (though apparently, the victim's family asked the sentence to be less than 1 year), and hope they sue the family for money to pay for this.

oh, and the rape analogy wasn't meant to be a direct analogy. there just seems to be people out there that think that if you put yourself in questionable situations, you deserve no sympathy when something bad happens to you, the same vibe I get off of your posts
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Old 05-12-2008, 05:54 PM
 
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well onethousand, you must have been the perfect teen that never did anything wrong. peer pressure often trumps common sense among teens/young adults. so for you, one bad call in judgement=no sympathy whatsoever? now, I have little to no sympathy for Nick Hogan, a kid who's been arrested several times before for shouldn't have had his license in the first place
No sympathy. It's the law, it's not your therapist. That statue doesn't wear a blind-fold for nothing.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:25 PM
 
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The legal system functions based upon actual events and not what could have happened. He was found guilty of reckless driving and sentenced.
History has proven this to not be the case. In fact Judges convict people everyday based on the idea of preventing someone from doing something in the future.



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I'm not sure what additional charges you would like to see brought against him? Perhaps if the guy dies then manslaughter charges could be brought later.

I just hope Nick learns from this seriously!
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