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Sorry....you make no sense. Fathers are equally responsible and accountable for their children. They are both behaving badly albeit each in their own special way. Their worst personality traits are taking over in their greed - Kate's "holier than thou" and Jon's immature child. Neither one is any better than the other - just different. I am hardly a "Kate worshipper" I just don't believe in giving Jon a pass for his part and actions.
My thoughts are why didn't save and invest some of that money they have been making they could have supported themselves for along time if they weren't so worried about acting like big shots.They would have been nothing if it wasn't for having sextuplets. Everyone needs to quit giving them attention.Jon is getting counseling from the same guy that advised Michael Jackson-give me a break! Kate acts like her life is so hard now-oh brother.
Sorry....you make no sense. Fathers are equally responsible and accountable for their children. They are both behaving badly albeit each in their own special way. Their worst personality traits are taking over in their greed - Kate's "holier than thou" and Jon's immature child. Neither one is any better than the other - just different. I am hardly a "Kate worshipper" I just don't believe in giving Jon a pass for his part and actions.
There is a difference between the issues involving the kids (choice to have them, exploitation, etc.) and the issues involving the Gosselin parents. I think Kate is the primary reason for the demise of the marriage; both parents are acting like idiots in the aftermath. As well, both parents are wrong for so crassly and greedily exploiting their children in the first place.
There is a difference between the issues involving the kids (choice to have them, exploitation, etc.) and the issues involving the Gosselin parents. I think Kate is the primary reason for the demise of the marriage; both parents are acting like idiots in the aftermath. As well, both parents are wrong for so crassly and greedily exploiting their children in the first place.
The success or demise of a marriage involves both people. Jon did not become a totally different person overnight. I would guess that the behaviors he exhibits now, are simply exaggerated examples of behavior he exhibited during their marriage. Just as Kate's behavior now, is indicative of her behavior during the marriage. They both knew what they were getting into when they married - Kate looked for someone she could boss around (and got it) and Jon looked for someone who would take charge so he wouldn't have to grow up (and he got it)....
[quote=maciesmom;11479773]The success or demise of a marriage involves both people. Jon did not become a totally different person overnight. I would guess that the behaviors he exhibits now, are simply exaggerated examples of behavior he exhibited during their marriage. Just as Kate's behavior now, is indicative of her behavior during the marriage. They both knew what they were getting into when they married - Kate looked for someone she could boss around (and got it) and Jon looked for someone who would take charge so he wouldn't have to grow up (and he got it)....[/quote]
There is truth to this.......but do you really think any man, any person, would put up with the constant verbal, mental and emotional abuse dealt out by Kate and be content to stay in the marriage? I do not think so. Kate indeed did change for the worse during the duration of the relationship. Watch the show from the beginning and it is clear as day.
The success or demise of a marriage involves both people. Jon did not become a totally different person overnight. I would guess that the behaviors he exhibits now, are simply exaggerated examples of behavior he exhibited during their marriage. Just as Kate's behavior now, is indicative of her behavior during the marriage. They both knew what they were getting into when they married - Kate looked for someone she could boss around (and got it) and Jon looked for someone who would take charge so he wouldn't have to grow up (and he got it)....[/quote]
There is truth to this.......but do you really think any man, any person, would put up with the constant verbal, mental and emotional abuse dealt out by Kate and be content to stay in the marriage? I do not think so. Kate indeed did change for the worse during the duration of the relationship. Watch the show from the beginning and it is clear as day.
Agreed that Kate is abrasive - but just the same, do you think any woman, any person, would put up with having to be the sole "adult" in a relationship that involves 10 people? How frustrating would that get? After years of that who knows how anyone would behave?
Agreed that Kate is abrasive - but just the same, do you think any woman, any person, would put up with having to be the sole "adult" in a relationship that involves 10 people? How frustrating would that get? After years of that who knows how anyone would behave?
That woman is beyond abrasive. And frustration is no reason for the vitriol with which she behaves toward someone she is supposed to be married to and coparenting with. What if the sex roles were reversed? I bet Jon would be getting so much hate if he were the one who did the abusing.
No one (other than Jon and Kate themselves) knows what really went on. My only point is I'm not falling for the "poor Jon" routine. I personally think he has skated through life on this and got in over his head as much as Kate saw a weak link and grabbed on....But the fact remains there are 8 children now and he has 2 condos and neither one in the same state as his children live. Neither one has an inkling of reality. Kate needs to suck it up, eat some humble pie and do whatever it takes. Kate might well be a selfish diva - but she is more marketable than Jon - she wouldn't be the first selfish diva to have her own TV show and if someone is willing to pay her then good for her - if she needs to go back to nursing or whatever - then she'll need to just do it. Jon, like it or not, is not as "marketable" as Kate is - he has no personality and doesn't seem to have much drive or "get up and go" so most likely he'll have to actually find a "real" job and frankly he might well have a hard time doing that - using whatever skills he has. How long until he is willing to do this?
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That woman is beyond abrasive. And frustration is no reason for the vitriol with which she behaves toward someone she is supposed to be married to and coparenting with. What if the sex roles were reversed? I bet Jon would be getting so much hate if he were the one who did the abusing.
I had to think about this for a bit - because initially, it sounds like you might be right - But I really think (for me anyway) that if the roles were reversed I would feel exactly the same way. Parents have a responsibility to their kids - if he felt he was being abused to the extent he couldn't even bear to stay in the same state, WTH would he leave his children with her? I would say the same for a woman in the same position. I do know women who live with emotionally abusive husbands - and they stay because they have kids and because they can't afford to leave. It's sad but they don't abandon their kids to protect themselves. I also know women who refuse to step up and look for work when their husbands stop paying support or lose their jobs, and they keep living at the same level to which they became accustomed (even if it means putting it all on credit cards) - I don't have much in the way of respect for them either. FWIW, I have told both my own kids to never get married until they have some kind of education or skill to allow them to support themselves and have lived on their own just so they know that they can if they have to. I would have infinitely more respect for Jon had he moved out, into a place nearby so he could be available to his kids 24/7, looked for a job and held off on relationships he had until the situation were stable. Then, I might have believed the "poor Jon - he was just manipulated by evil Kate" thing...Kate is a piece of work (and she is not a person I'd want to spend any time with) but she at least had the foresight to be looking at potential earnings and supporting her family....(Or at least was smart enough to APPEAR to be doing this)
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There is truth to this.......but do you really think any man, any person, would put up with the constant verbal, mental and emotional abuse dealt out by Kate and be content to stay in the marriage? I do not think so. Kate indeed did change for the worse during the duration of the relationship. Watch the show from the beginning and it is clear as day.
Jon should have manned up and done something about her verbal abuse. From what it looks like, he clammed up and hardly said a word, until he had finally had enough, and it was too late to save his marriage. Yes, she was a total ***** to him. But he is not without blame.
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I agree!
