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Old 11-07-2010, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Just to inform anyone who cares, there is no such thing as a 4G network right now.

Even Verizon's LTE isn't 4G.

So even though your phone may have 4G in the name, or it may say 4G on the little signal thingy on your phone, its not 4G.

At best, its 3.5G like HSPA+, but no one will have a truly 4G network until around 2014.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I heard Kim Kommando this weekend saying that the EU set the designation for 4G, and so far the best that any American carrier has came up with is 1/10 of the 4G through-put.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:11 AM
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Location: Tyler, TX
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On Sprint's network, 4G = Clear WiMax. I don't know why you're saying that "nobody" has it. Are you nit picking technical jargon?
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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On Sprint's network, 4G = Clear WiMax. I don't know why you're saying that "nobody" has it. Are you nit picking technical jargon?
A perfect example, thank you

According to their website:
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... CLEAR is building the fastest network around—and we keep expanding from city to city. With average speeds of 3 to 6 Mbps and bursts of over 10 Mbps
While the definition of '4G' is 1 Gbps

1Mbps = 1,000,000 bits per second

1Gbps = 1,000,000,000 bits per second

A perfect example of the OP.

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Old 11-08-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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On Sprint's network, 4G = Clear WiMax. I don't know why you're saying that "nobody" has it. Are you nit picking technical jargon?
IURC sets the standards for wireless networks.

WiMax and LTE are both 3.5G, but not 4G.

Its not even about the speeds really. 4G promises to deliver 1Gbps, but no one has been able to do that outside of a lab yet.

WiMax 2.0 might be 4G, LTE2 might be 4G, but the fact is, no one has that network in the states yet.

The main problem with WiMax and LTE is that they were designed for data only, not voice and data. Now, some quick software upgrades made it possible to carry voice over them, but they weren't designed for that. That is their major shortfall.

T-mobile is calling their HSPA+ network 4G because the other three carriers are calling their networks 4G, with no real legal standing to do so. No one can file suit against another carrier, because technically no carrier has 4G in the states.

The soonest a real 4G network will emerge in this country, will be 2014, maybe late 2013.

So the next time you walk into any cellular store, and they start preaching to you about 4G, slap them back to reality with a little knowledge.
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I suspect I'm like most consumers in that I don't give a flip what they call it. I just care what the claimed throughput speeds are, whether or not they can actually deliver on those claims, and how widespread the "4G" coverage is.
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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I suspect I'm like most consumers in that I don't give a flip what they call it. I just care what the claimed throughput speeds are, whether or not they can actually deliver on those claims, and how widespread the "4G" coverage is.
I agree. It doesn't really matter what they call it as long as they are clear about available speeds.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I suspect I'm like most consumers in that I don't give a flip what they call it. I just care what the claimed throughput speeds are, whether or not they can actually deliver on those claims, and how widespread the "4G" coverage is.
Oh but the average consumer cares.

I live in an area with no 3G coverage, because of DOD spectrum challenges.

All anyone asks is why their phone doesn't say 3G on it.

Forget the fact that when you put a ATT Iphone 4 next to a Samsung Vibrant on EDGE, and they have almost the exact same speed, they want that network name.

Most consumers only see what they are told to see, not whats actually there.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Oh but the average consumer cares.

I live in an area with no 3G coverage, because of DOD spectrum challenges.

All anyone asks is why their phone doesn't say 3G on it.

Forget the fact that when you put a ATT Iphone 4 next to a Samsung Vibrant on EDGE, and they have almost the exact same speed, they want that network name.

Most consumers only see what they are told to see, not whats actually there.
They don't want the marketing designation for its own sake, they want the higher performance where available. Your average consumer doesn't care what it's called.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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They don't want the marketing designation for its own sake, they want the higher performance where available. Your average consumer doesn't care what it's called.
The average consumer doesn't know what performs better, until they are told what performs better.

Believe me, I talk to customers on occasion, they know little to nothing about what their phone or network can do.
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