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Old 01-30-2013, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Could you drop the ball AGAIN. Please?
It amazes me... astounds me.... that this company can continue to do EVERYTHING wrong.

The new phones and OS are already delayed by nearly a YEAR. So they finally have a date to announce. They try to build the excitement. They get ready to make the big announcement. My boss is frothing at the lips (the only employee at work that still has a BB has been fiercely loyal and desperately holding out for a new device...)... and it looks good. OS looks nice. and... and....


NOT AVAILABLE UNTIL AT LEAST MARCH. HOPEFULLY MARCH. No specific date. Just MARCH. My boss would have ordered one right now...


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Old 01-30-2013, 12:12 PM
 
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BlackBerry wants to launch their new Z10 and Q10 on as many networks as possible.

The handsets will be available in Canada and the UK before the end of February.

It may just be the US carriers are slow to get around to doing the network testing of the phones.

Either way, I think BB10 OS looks pretty good and is a heck of a lot better than their older systems.

One thing Apple and Google (with their Nexus devices) to right is to give full pricing, date you can begin pre-ordering and also the ship dates to all new products.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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Q10 not available in the US, the one my boss wants, until MAYBE April....
Way to blow it RIM... err Blackberry.

I just can't believe they aren't ready to roll. As you said, Google and Android have dates within a week of the announcement.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Typically when devices are held back from being released in the US vs rest of world, its because of US carrier certification testing/requirements, which by global standards are the most vigorous/torturous out there, especially for VZW or AT&T.

This includes network/field testing, software testing and lab testing.

I am really curious how this new version of BB will stack up moving forward. One thing is for sure, they make GREAT phones in terms of quality and design. I am certain that their new OS will be SOLID and there many loyal users. Sounds good so far!

Their stock valuation is curious given the news.

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Old 01-30-2013, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Maryland not Murlin
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BlackBerry wants to launch their new Z10 and Q10 on as many networks as possible.

The handsets will be available in Canada and the UK before the end of February.

It may just be the US carriers are slow to get around to doing the network testing of the phones.

Either way, I think BB10 OS looks pretty good and is a heck of a lot better than their older systems.

One thing Apple and Google (with their Nexus devices) to right is to give full pricing, date you can begin pre-ordering and also the ship dates to all new products.
I can't wait to get one...for those who read my posts should know, I am a long time crackberry addict and cannot wait to get off Android and have been following Blackberry 10 news on an almost daily basis since the summer.

Not sure about Google, but Apple keeps everything quiet until they are ready to release. Both the Q10 and Z10 will be available in the U.K. beginning tomorrow, and last I heard, it is up 'til March/April in the U.S.

As for pricing, the Q10 is going to sell between £42 and £50 in the UK. That is roughly $84 to $100.

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Q10 not available in the US, the one my boss wants, until MAYBE April....
Way to blow it RIM... err Blackberry.

I just can't believe they aren't ready to roll. As you said, Google and Android have dates within a week of the announcement.
Well, RIM, now Blackberry, is a Canadian company; so why would they launch in the U.S. first? Their market share in the U.S. is low, perhaps their lowest in the World. Heines has stated numerous times that their immediate goal, their first goal, is to maintain current users, and since their user base is largely outside of the U.S., and since many in the rest of the World are not ga-ga for the iPhone like Americans are, it makes absolute sense to launch in other countries first.

But I do agree, they should have be ready to go now.

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Typically when devices are held back from being released in the US vs rest of world, its because of US carrier certification testing/requirements, which by global standards are the most vigorous/torturous out there, especially for VZW or AT&T.

This includes network/field testing, software testing and lab testing.

I am really curious how this new version of BB will stack up moving forward. One thing is for sure, they make GREAT phones in terms of quality and design. I am certain that their new OS will be SOLID and there many loyal users. Sounds good so far!

Their stock valuation is curious given the news.
Ummm, they gave dev models to U.S. carriers months ago, and the major four U.S. carriers have been on board for awhile now (except for Sprint, who just recently came on board) with carrier testing ending sometime in November, if I remember correctly.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:04 PM
 
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Ummm, they gave dev models to U.S. carriers months ago, and the major four U.S. carriers have been on board for awhile now (except for Sprint, who just recently came on board) with carrier testing ending sometime in November, if I remember correctly.
There are many phases of certification testing, but you probably know that already.

I doubt highly they were done PASSING in November unless you have a source to link?

If what you are saying is true, in the sense that they have completely passed cert testing, then there must be a supply chain issue if they cant get it off the ground. Qualcomm has been behind for some time, but really not 2-3 months behind.

I havent worked with ANY company yet, that has passed cert testing months before actual launch unless the carrier dictates its launch date. But if that were the case, then that means either RIM missed their US deadline to launch or are getting thrown into a marketing mix from the carriers. But I doubt the latter considering there really are no other hero devices that are going to be going up against these phones.
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:31 AM
 
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There are many phases of certification testing, but you probably know that already.

I doubt highly they were done PASSING in November unless you have a source to link?

If what you are saying is true, in the sense that they have completely passed cert testing, then there must be a supply chain issue if they cant get it off the ground. Qualcomm has been behind for some time, but really not 2-3 months behind.

I havent worked with ANY company yet, that has passed cert testing months before actual launch unless the carrier dictates its launch date. But if that were the case, then that means either RIM missed their US deadline to launch or are getting thrown into a marketing mix from the carriers. But I doubt the latter considering there really are no other hero devices that are going to be going up against these phones.
I just looked it up, they didn't go into cellular certification until the end of October, so yes, they were still testing through November

Not sure what is up with the delays, but BB10 launch has been delayed 3 times. This last delay, of a March release, was announced back in October.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:00 AM
 
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I just looked it up, they didn't go into cellular certification until the end of October, so yes, they were still testing through November

Not sure what is up with the delays, but BB10 launch has been delayed 3 times. This last delay, of a March release, was announced back in October.
I think just about anyone could probably answer the question as to what is up with the delays......they are probably working on bugs and every time they fix one, it causes four new ones. I am just basing this off of my knowledge of their previous devices. I never personally owned a blackberry but my wife and some friends had them for a couple of years until Androids picked up steam. I couldn't stand to use one for more than a couple of minutes every time I tried......poorly designed, stange UI and directory structure and full of bugs. One of my friends returned 4 blackberry storm touch screen phones before finally having a come apart at the verizon store and they agreed to give him a HTC Android as a replacement for number 5.

I honestly believe the ship has sailed for blackberry. They may hang around in the background maybe with corporate and enterprise contracts but as far as the public goes, they will be lucky to even hang on to a few percentage points of the market. I see them going the way of Nextel direct connect devices, they were everywhere for a few years and then you rarely see one anymore. What good is blackberry messenger if you have nobody to message?
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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Typically when devices are held back from being released in the US vs rest of world, its because of US carrier certification testing/requirements, which by global standards are the most vigorous/torturous out there, especially for VZW or AT&T.
I have a hard time believing it is the carriers.
I am sure it is supply. They simply don't have enough to sell in the US.
If it IS the carriers then YOU WAIT to roll out til you have product to sell.
I understand it is a Canadian company. Then why didn't you announce in Toronto?
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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I have a hard time believing it is the carriers.
I am sure it is supply. They simply don't have enough to sell in the US.
If it IS the carriers then YOU WAIT to roll out til you have product to sell.
I understand it is a Canadian company. Then why didn't you announce in Toronto?
I just had a chat with a friend of mine that works in the CDMA/LTE(basically Verizon) R&D division here in San Diego for BB (yes, next to Qualcomm) and basically its a combination all of the above that I had mentioned. While there is a raw materials shortage for the chipsets its not the sole reason for delay. There are many other parts at play here besides that as mentioned.

When I say 'typically' it is exactly what I mean in the general context. For the companies that I consult for here in San Diego and throughout the US, timelines are VERY tight and more times than not, a device will pass all carrier cert testing after months of various levels of testing ranging from field test to interoperability to software. After the final blessing within a week, get flashed to the 'approved' SW and be on the shelves the following week. Its insane.

In the world of logistics, there are 3rd party distributors that basically are proxy to the retailers/operators. It is their orders from the retailers that dictate how many units sold. They basically take care of the logistics and 'numbers' that are published in IDC or Gartner. So while we may see some huge numbers for sales of say an SGSIII, we will never now how many have either been pushed by the manufacturer or retailer to take on. We will also never know how many units are actually sitting in a warehouse from not estimating properly.

edit: I dont understand what you mean about Toronto? Are you talking about the global launch delays?

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