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Old 08-22-2019, 02:56 PM
 
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This article lists U.S. cities with 5G networks from major carriers. I was surprised that there were a few notable cities not listed.


https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...ilability-map/
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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This article lists U.S. cities with 5G networks from major carriers. I was surprised that there were a few notable cities not listed.


https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...ilability-map/
Weird that Atlanta is on every list, but New York isn’t? That’s strange...
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Ocala, FL
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Remember that At&t (formerly Bellsouth, then Cingular) was headquartered in Atlanta and they have always used Atlanta to introduce new technologies there. Not sure why Verizon deployed there too, unless they are "just keeping up with the Jone's".

Don't worry, it's still coming everywhere, just takes time to fully deploy.
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Old 11-29-2019, 02:59 PM
 
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What are your thoughts about 5G networks in terms of their security? Recently read an article on DZone about the flaws of 5G which it inherited from 3G and 4G. Here is the report they referred to https://positive-tech.com/research/5g-security-issues/. It turned out that these drawbacks can result into serious problems (data interceptions (voice, SMS, data), subscriber tracking, as well as DoS attacks on services or network elements etc.) What do you think is it true?
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Old 11-29-2019, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Weird that Atlanta is on every list, but New York isn’t? That’s strange...
New York is listed.

As of November 20th:
- Verizon: Fixed and mobile 5G is live in several areas.
- AT&T: Mobile 5G for select customers in 21 cities; wider coverage throughout 2019.
- T-Mobile: Commercial 5G service available in parts of six cities; nationwide coverage - coming in December.
- Sprint: Mobile 5G in Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, Kansas City, Phoenix, Los Angeles, New York City, and Washington, D.C.
- U.S. Cellular: 5G services coming in 2020.
- C Spire: Fixed 5G services in Mississippi.
- Charter: Testing 5G, but no solid rollout plans.
- Comcast: Will roll out 5G via an MVNO agreement with Verizon.
- Starry: Fixed 5G currently in Boston, Denver, LA, New York City, and Washington DC

It's simply not possible to get consistent 5G service in most cities in the U.S. right now, no matter how much you want it.

@Vakilniickel:
- Unlike 3G and 4G that had the capability of reaching larger areas, 5G’s reach will be much shorter. Increased bandwidth will mean less coverage.
- New towers will cost more money, and costs will be passed on consumers, also towers clutter everywhere (they have to be placed in a distance no less than 200 feet and no more than 1,000 feet apart). The worst part is that the cost of the device isn't the only thing that'll drain your bank account; you'll need to upgrade your data plan from your carrier of choice, too.
- Radio frequencies will be overcrowded even more
- Possible health issues because of the high frequency millimeter radio signals that 5G uses and the exposure on a daily basis. No significant studies, yet.
- There is no perfect system that is 100% secure from cybersecurity attacks. Some owners may just put their devices online without configuring it properly. People still do careless things and they still use simple easy to guess passwords.
- With faster networks also malware and viruses will spread faster. As of now 5G has not yet been operating on a wide scale for cybersecurity experts to identify the vulnerabilities. The small cell towers itself could be targeted.
- Once 5G rolls users will have to purchase new smartphones. Those phones are 5G compatible:
https://www.gihosoft.com/android-tip...t-in-2019.html
- The service cost. For example, Verizon's newly announced 5G M1000 hotspot is a whopping $650 at retail. On top of that, a hotspot-only data plan that's necessary to even use it is $85 per month. That's...a lot.
AT&T's alternative, the Netgear Nighthawk, is also an expensive device at $500, with an additional $70 per month for a data plan. The existing 5G plans in the U.S. might not offer enough data for an average month's network usage.
But, it's future-proof. The availability of 5G networks and compatible devices is only going to grow from here.
- Since faint signals from water vapor power our super-accurate forecasts, there is a concern that the 5G telecom signals (typically very loud and also susceptible to leaking outside their space), could drown some of them out.
There's also concern that the abundance of satellites will interfere with sky observations.

BTW: Various countries are researching on 5G, 6G, 7G and 8G networks but right now not a single country is fully operational on 5G network. South Korea invented 5G.

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Old 11-29-2019, 09:50 PM
 
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South Korea invented 5G.
SK did not invent 5G, no one country did as it was a collaborated development and was an evolution from 4G more so than being "invented".
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Old 11-29-2019, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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SK did not invent 5G, no one country did as it was a collaborated development and was an evolution from 4G more so than being "invented".
Well, maybe not invented, but implemented it first while the US discredited it as a publicity stunt.
The launch was reportedly brought forward by two days, as speculation mounted that the US mobile carrier Verizon planned to launch its own service ahead of schedule and claim the title of the world’s first 5G provider.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...twork-as-stunt
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:43 PM
 
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Is 5G even finalized yet? I know a bunch of cell phones are coming out next year marketing to be 5G compatible but there seems to be a risk of performance capability if the standard continues to shift. The whole AT&T marketing of LTE dressed up as 5G is quite the debacle.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Ocala, FL
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No, it's not finalized. One provider claims it just activated their 5G network that will provide access to 200 million subscribers. The reality is that all 4 major carriers are still testing 5G in selected markets and not in all parts of the same markets. There are very few 5G enabled phones currently available in the US and a small fraction of users with those devices currently. It probably won't be mainstream until late 2020 or 2021. Right now, most of the talk about 5G is smoke and mirrors.

The 4G networks will not be shut down anytime soon and will be integrated into the 5G networks to work together.
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Old 12-06-2019, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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@Vakilniickel:
- Unlike 3G and 4G that had the capability of reaching larger areas, 5G’s reach will be much shorter. Increased bandwidth will mean less coverage.
- New towers will cost more money, and costs will be passed on consumers, also towers clutter everywhere (they have to be placed in a distance no less than 200 feet and no more than 1,000 feet apart). The worst part is that the cost of the device isn't the only thing that'll drain your bank account; you'll need to upgrade your data plan from your carrier of choice, too.

- Radio frequencies will be overcrowded even more
- Possible health issues because of the high frequency millimeter radio signals that 5G uses and the exposure on a daily basis. No significant studies, yet.
- There is no perfect system that is 100% secure from cybersecurity attacks. Some owners may just put their devices online without configuring it properly. People still do careless things and they still use simple easy to guess passwords.
- With faster networks also malware and viruses will spread faster. As of now 5G has not yet been operating on a wide scale for cybersecurity experts to identify the vulnerabilities. The small cell towers itself could be targeted.
- Once 5G rolls users will have to purchase new smartphones. Those phones are 5G compatible:
https://www.gihosoft.com/android-tip...t-in-2019.html
- The service cost. For example, Verizon's newly announced 5G M1000 hotspot is a whopping $650 at retail. On top of that, a hotspot-only data plan that's necessary to even use it is $85 per month. That's...a lot.
AT&T's alternative, the Netgear Nighthawk, is also an expensive device at $500, with an additional $70 per month for a data plan. The existing 5G plans in the U.S. might not offer enough data for an average month's network usage.
But, it's future-proof. The availability of 5G networks and compatible devices is only going to grow from here.
- Since faint signals from water vapor power our super-accurate forecasts, there is a concern that the 5G telecom signals (typically very loud and also susceptible to leaking outside their space), could drown some of them out.
There's also concern that the abundance of satellites will interfere with sky observations.

BTW: Various countries are researching on 5G, 6G, 7G and 8G networks but right now not a single country is fully operational on 5G network. South Korea invented 5G.
so tell me why I need 5G? LTE is plenty fast where I live at 15 to 70 megs and the towers are miles apart. So it takes me a few minutes to download a movie??? It’s not like my whole life is on hold during those few minutes
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