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Please post the research that you did that says otherwise.
Now, to be fair, I'm a product of Southern California school system so maybe I just don't know any better, but back home we didn't consider 50+% to be "such a small %".
Also, what are the percentages of students taking SAT's??
"The SAT has historically been more popular in South Carolina, but ACT participation has grown."
Please post the research that you did that says otherwise.
Now, to be fair, I'm a product of Southern California school system so maybe I just don't know any better, but back home we didn't consider 50+% to be "such a small %"
"According to ACT, other states that had large urban districts testing their entire junior class saw larger declines in state-level results than the two-tenths-of-a-point drop experienced in Wisconsin."
The way it works here is that students take the ACT for the initial time in their Junior year; if they blow it, or feel they can improve, they can have a re-take in their senior year.
Back in a second. Hard to find real data on SC schools.
http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=498503
"South Carolina's 2010 public high school graduates matched last year's performance on the ACT college entrance exam despite an increase of more than 1,100 additional test-takers."
Part of the problem is that we are comparing state(Wisconsin) to a specific school (Wando). In many schools up here 100% take the ACT- as shown by the article from DPI.
"The newly released ACT scores are from students who graduated in 2010, regardless of when they took the test during their high school careers."
Apples= Apples, ya think?
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The way it works here is that students take the ACT for the initial time in their Junior year; if they blow it, or feel they can improve, they can have a re-take in their senior year.
That's terrific, and it sounds like Wisconsin is on the ball. I wasn't questioning that.
I was questioning the comparative information you were posting. You said "For Summerville (enrollment, 3500) less than 10% took it; Wando has 2,744 kids and 281 took the ACT, so maybe 11% (rounded off) at best."
But yet in the link you provided from Wisconsin, they are discussing how many graduates took the test, and specifically over their high school career. Are you telling us that the data you provided quoted above is the same?
That's terrific, and it sounds like Wisconsin is on the ball. I wasn't questioning that.
I was questioning the comparative information you were posting. You said "For Summerville (enrollment, 3500) less than 10% took it; Wando has 2,744 kids and 281 took the ACT, so maybe 11% (rounded off) at best."
But yet in the link you provided from Wisconsin, they are discussing how many graduates took the test, and specifically over their high school career. Are you telling us that the data you provided quoted above is the same?
"The newly released ACT scores are from students who graduated in 2010, regardless of when they took the test during their high school careers."
Yes, the SC numbers also reflect students who took the ACT, 'Sometime over their careers.'- just as in Wisconsin.
So in that regard, the measurements are the same.
So, it would seem that a 4 year HS career in Wisconsin is equal to a 4 year career in SC (as far as years) and since the percents are drawing from are based on the same timeframes, then one cannot assume that a single graduating class took the tests during their senior year.
Last edited by Geechie North; 08-18-2010 at 01:12 PM..
"Milwaukee Public Schools (MPS) is the largest school district in Wisconsin. As of 2007, it had an enrollment of 87,360 students[1]."
Also, if you read the SC article it says that statewide 1,000 more kids took the ACT in South Carolina.
The Wisconsin DPI article says 100% of Milwaukee HS students were tested.
Using 2007 data (latest I can find), that would mean up to 6,000 (conservative) more students took the test in Milwaukee alone this year.
Milwaukee proper makes up 1/3 of about 1/5th of Wisconsin's population; for the metro it's 1/3.
I cite that data because one of the common lies that's circulated among SC's educational community is that the scores are so 'Poor' there is that such a small % of students take the ACT "Up North."
The ACT scores quoted are only those of the students who graduated in 2010. Wando has approx. 3100 students so probably about 750 graduated. That would mean about 37% took the test, not less than 10%. I believe that most SC students who take college entrance tests take the SAT rather than the ACT.
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Originally Posted by Geechie North
Okay, I checked out enrollments, and as is their MO, this is just more propaganda from SC's bottom-of-the-barrel public ed system.
You need at least 45% of students from a given HS taking the test for it to be valid, legit:
For Summerville (enrollment, 3500) less than 10% took it; Wando has 2,744 kids and 281 took the ACT, so maybe 11% (rounded off) at best.
Anyway, bogus to the max, as kids here say.
FYI, in states with real educational systems over 50% take the ACT.
Minnesota was #1 followed by Iowa.
Wisconsin was 3rd, 69% of students statewide took the ACT up here.
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