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Old 06-19-2013, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Ugh... I guess I can't completely avoid the NY type of governmental thinking. Would you perhaps know where I could find the source of this ruling? This is bugging me a little considering I'm on my way to Mt P soon enough.
Here's a story on it

Council Votes to Repeal Big-Box Rules - Government - Mount Pleasant, SC Patch
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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The argument isn't against ALL big box stores, it's about making sure they fit into the town plan. By requiring more acreage and greenspace when a big box store comes in, you retain the privacy and aesthetics of the town. I don't see how that's a bad thing. Overdevelopment is an issue in lots of areas and does that really mean progress? Does some paved over land with a strip mall on it mean progress? I like the idea of having our stores with more greenspace.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC metro
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I'd like a Sam's Club and Best Buy in Mt. Pleasant. Also, a Cook-Out, Steak n Shake, and Zaxby's would be nice!
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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As a Mt. P resident I would love a Zaxby's. Not a fan of Steak-N-Shake, but Raising Cane isn't as good as Zaxby's.

It seems the requirement was on oversight anyway as it was originally meant to be deleted in July 2011. I hope they bring some nice big box stores. A Costco and Best Buy would be excellent.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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The argument isn't against ALL big box stores, it's about making sure they fit into the town plan. By requiring more acreage and greenspace when a big box store comes in, you retain the privacy and aesthetics of the town. I don't see how that's a bad thing. Overdevelopment is an issue in lots of areas and does that really mean progress? Does some paved over land with a strip mall on it mean progress? I like the idea of having our stores with more greenspace.
Where in Mt. P would a 300,000 sq ft of big box stores locate that meets your greenspace requirements and still have access to large enough traffic patterns to meet their business requirements?
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Where in Mt. P would a 300,000 sq ft of big box stores locate that meets your greenspace requirements and still have access to large enough traffic patterns to meet their business requirements?
You make it sound like I created this rule. There's plenty of business, including big box stores, that managed to build here before this rule was revoked. So, yours is a specious argument.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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No, you said that they you weren't against big box store, but that they needed to maintain the greenspace before building. I'm asking a very valid question. With the remaining space that is availible in Mt. Pleasant. Where would 300,000 sq ft of big box stores locate that would have enough traffic to meet their business requirements?

Many of the big box stores that are here now were developed with there was enough space to allow them to have the green space you require.

I don't see how that's a specious argument. Please explain.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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No, you said that they you weren't against big box store, but that they needed to maintain the greenspace before building. I'm asking a very valid question. With the remaining space that is availible in Mt. Pleasant. Where would 300,000 sq ft of big box stores locate that would have enough traffic to meet their business requirements?

Many of the big box stores that are here now were developed with there was enough space to allow them to have the green space you require.

I don't see how that's a specious argument. Please explain.
Gotcha. Well, I for one, would like to see more reuse of commercial space. There's opportunity for that. There are still commercial tracts large enough to support those big box stores. Mostly in North Mt. Pleasant, but that's what happens when you reach near saturation point. My point, previously, is that I do not think we should remove these greenspace barriers simply because commercial land is becoming scarce. This is something any well developed area contends with and how each community handles it has a lot to do with either retaining the aesthetics of said community or allowing the developers to pave over the greenspace. At the end of the day, I think a community looks and feels a lot better when it's not one paved parking lot after another.

I've always though the KMart plaza is ripe for commercial reuse. Given KMart's low sales, I am guessing that a decent enough investment would induce them to sell. Other than that, there's ample opportunity for stores to build near and around Carolina Park. There's still plenty of commercial land for sale - just not where it's already a saturated area. The developers of the Gregg tract wanted that one in particular because they believe it would lead to more sales being across from Towne Center and not because there wasn't alternative commercial land available.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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The traffic density doesn't lend itself to large groupings of big box stores around Carolina Park. Being what residential speculation has been.. I don't see any big box store willing to gamble at this time.

The issue is there is space for one or two big box stores to go in in certain spaces. But not enough to create the 'hub' type areas they tend to build in. They have their metrics on the chances of success for a business. There really isn't an incentive to change a model that works for them.

With that understanding you're actually championing no big box stores.. or maybe big box stores several years down the road once growth catches up to areas.

Personally the area down by Towne Center is already big box commercial. I have no issue adding more to improve the quality of life for a majority of those in the city. Even if that's at the expense of a little green space and a neighborhood or two is impacted.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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How long can Mt. Pleasant go on calling itself a town and trying to hold on to something that doesn't exist anymore with it's current population?
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